OpenSuSE 12.2 suspend?/hibernate? me and undesired poweroff triggerARRRGH!

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#1

Hello. I’m not so sure this is the place for this. BUT if there IS a way
to stop it from happening again I’d very much like to know, so this is a
help request. The trouble is I’m not sure what part of OpenSuSE I want to
do something about. So I don’t have a clue how to ask without it sounding
like a rant… Best thing I can think to do is to ask a few wild questions,
and then follow them with an explanation of where the questions are coming from.

There are some “features” I’d like to disable. But I’m afraid that they may
be too deeply integrated to do so without breaking too many things.
Still…

Is there a safe way to totally disable the suspend function?
Is there a safe way to totally disable the hibernate function?
Is there a way to disable the one touch powerdown function that occurs if
the power button is bumped while in a hibernate/suspend or other power-saving
mode {see below}???

I’ve no objection to the hard drive spinning down when not in use for
awhile. Likewise I don’t mind the screen going to a blank powersaving mode.
{With certain previsions that is} I wouldn’t mind the processor(s) going to a
powersaveing mode either. But I never want to wait while the system has to
reload itself back into ram unless it needs to reboot {IE I get to choose
what OS I’m booting from grub} and NOTHING should ever expect to find it’s
system state in the swap partition on boot, as I probably have used another
distro since last booting this one…

There exists a powersaving mode that may be a form of suspend or hibernate
for all I know. {Since I never use either function I don’t know how to
identify them by their behavior…} But in any case, On my laptop there
are three visual clues to it’s running state that I NEVER want disabled.
On the front edge. {visible even when the laptop is closed} there exist two
lights. One indicates that the ac power is on. And by color, indicates if
the battery has a full charge, or is actively charging. The other indicates
the laptop is on. Likewise, when the laptop is open, there is a ring shaped
light outlining the powerbutton when the laptop is on.

When I’m in the Livingroom and doing something with the laptop, I sometimes
get complaints from my lady who doesn’t want to share my attention with it.
So I flip the lid closed, and slide the laptop out of the way. Hoping that
I’ll be able to remember what I was doing later on after she goes to bed.

But it sometimes happens, as I slide the laptop over, that the power chord
gets partially unplugged. And if “later on” is after the battery runs down,
the laptop will be cold and dark. So when my lady asks me if I could login
and check her bank balance, and I find no visual indication that it’s
still running (all indicator lights are out) My first instinct is to
properly re-seat the power chord and turn it back on. {If I don’t have time
for fsck, then I’d simply select one of the other installed distros.}

So there I was thinking about all the files I’d had open in non-gui
editors. And that the changes to some of them would not be recoverable.
But in fact they hadn’t been lost until I jabbed at the powerbutton and saw
a text mode dialog that said something about poweroff {or did it say powerdown}
having been requested. There was no way to stop it…

A LONG time ago (when I still ran dos as a primary OS) I was irritated that
the PC manufacturers replaced the hard power switch with a logic switch
that needed to be held down for a few seconds to force an immediate
poweroff state. But over the years I’ve gotten used to the idea that a
single short jab at the power button had no effect on a running system.

So like I said, can I disable suspend/hibernate functions? Can I stop
whatever it was from turning off the lights that would have had me first
running my finger across the touchpad, and then pressing the shift key,
followed by the enter key. Then holding {ctrl}+{alt} down while I tried a
few {F-keys} etc???

And if I can’t stop/disable any of that, can I stop it from beginning a
power off sequence when the power button is briefly pushed???

And finally, if the answer to any of the above is “yes”… Then How???

–
JtWdyP

#2

On 2012-10-31 04:44, JtWdyP wrote:
> Is there a safe way to totally disable the suspend function?
> Is there a safe way to totally disable the hibernate function?

Reading later, what you want to avoid is automatic hibernation/suspend when you close the lid - but
that is also a security feature (battery rundown). Well, you simply configure it in the desktop of
your choice. You have to say which and version. Watch out, your laptop may overheat in that position.

However, there is a method to make hibernation/suspend abort once initiated.

> Is there a way to disable the one touch powerdown function that occurs if
> the power button is bumped while in a hibernate/suspend or other power-saving
> mode {see below}???

No idea what is that.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#3

It would appear that on Oct 31, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2012-10-31 04:44, JtWdyP wrote:
> > Is there a safe way to totally disable the suspend function?
> > Is there a safe way to totally disable the hibernate function?
>
> Reading later, what you want to avoid is automatic hibernation/suspend when you close the lid - but
> that is also a security feature (battery rundown). Well, you simply configure it in the desktop of
> your choice. You have to say which and version. Watch out, your laptop may overheat in that position.

Yeah, it must be something like that. But it doesn’t happen when I close the
lid. At least not right away. This is more like some screen saver timeout.
Except I haven’t installed one.
My desktop of choice is E17. In which I’ve just spent some time browsing through the
the configuration utility. The closest things I could find was a setting for
screen blanking, which isn’t enabled: http://tinypic.com/r/b3ttg8/6 and a
confusing power management setting: http://tinypic.com/r/bz41/6 Which I don’t
have a clue how it’s used. Then it occurred to me that maybe it was an KDE
setting. I mean even though I don’t actually ever use it, it was featured on
the 12.2 installation disk. So I thought I better look in the KDE System
Settings. But when I tried to check it’s power management settings I got this
error: http://tinypic.com/r/2aexmh4/6 which suggests that kde isn’t doing
this.

I did find an acpi bindings setting screen. But it only has one reference
to the laptop’s lid: http://tinypic.com/r/28ahswi/6 but if that were being
triggered by closing the lid, the suspend operation should happen right away.
(but it doesn’t!)

> However, there is a method to make hibernation/suspend abort once initiated.

What method?

I never see it begin to “suspend”, BTW. By the time I find out, it’s already a done deal…

> > Is there a way to disable the one touch powerdown function that occurs if
> > the power button is bumped while in a hibernate/suspend or other power-saving
> > mode {see below}???
>
> No idea what is that.

I did some empirical testing, and found that the laptop didn’t need to be
suspended for the “onetouch” {IE pushing the power button once} to initiate
the powerdown. I never set any keyboard binding to do that without confirmation.
And even the poweroff {WITH confirmation} I set to a chorded key binding that
would be hard to do by mistake. {ctrl}+{alt}+{win}+{del} There was an acpi
binding for the power button. Which was set by default to power off now. But
when I changed it to point at the System Control menu {which can be
canceled…) http://tinypic.com/r/6ekmdy/6 Now a single push on the power
button does in fact flash an image of the system control menu on the screen,
but it doesn’t wait before something starts a power off sequence. Making me
think there must be somewhere else in OpenSuSE 12.2, another binding of some
kind.

I did look in the kde system settings keyboard shortcut settings. But I
couldn’t find anything bound to the power button…
{sigh}

–
JtWdyP

#4

On 2012-10-31 19:41, JtWdyP wrote:

>> However, there is a method to make hibernation/suspend abort once initiated.
>
> What method?

I’m creating this on the fly, check it before use!.


/etc/pm/sleep.d/5inhibit:

#!/bin/bash

.. /usr/lib/pm-utils/functions

RETVAL=0

case "$1" in
hibernate|suspend)
RETVAL=1
#This does not abort.
touch $INHIBIT
#This does.
MESSAGE="Aborting hibernation"
/bin/logger -t pm-utils -p syslog.warn $MESSAGE
echo -e "$MESSAGE\r" > /dev/tty0
echo "$MESSAGE  Touched $INHIBIT"
;;
thaw|resume)
;;
*)
;;
esac
exit $RETVAL

# Idea for $INHIBIT in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/30s2disk-check

I have no idea what the caller software will do when hibernation aborts…

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#5

It would appear that on Oct 31, JtWdyP did say:

> I did some empirical testing, and found that the laptop didn’t need to be
> suspended for the “onetouch” {IE pushing the power button once} to initiate
> the powerdown. I never set any keyboard binding to do that without confirmation.
> And even the poweroff {WITH confirmation} I set to a chorded key binding that
> would be hard to do by mistake. {ctrl}+{alt}+{win}+{del} There was an acpi
> binding for the power button. Which was set by default to power off now. But
> when I changed it to point at the System Control menu {which can be
> canceled…) http://tinypic.com/r/6ekmdy/6 Now a single push on the power
> button does in fact flash an image of the system control menu on the screen,
> but it doesn’t wait before something starts a power off sequence. Making me
> think there must be somewhere else in OpenSuSE 12.2, another binding of some
> kind.
>
> I did look in the kde system settings keyboard shortcut settings. But I
> couldn’t find anything bound to the power button…
> {sigh}

I did some more empirical testing… And I no longer believe that ANY
“Desktop Environment” nor in fact anything dependent on Xis responsible for
this keybinding…

I booted to runlevel 3 {via grub: using the “3” kernel option} So there wasn’t
even an Display Manager running… I logged in as regular user. and as soon as
I had a bash prompt, I gave the power button a little push. And the poweroff
cycle began…

After that, I rebooted and experimented with the suspend and hibernate choices
in E17’s system menu. Hibernate did not seem to work. But suspend did. And when
I suspended the system that way I noticed a couple of difference from the
suspend-like state that I described in the beginning of this thread…

It would appear that on Oct 31, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2012-10-31 04:44, JtWdyP wrote:
> > Is there a safe way to totally disable the suspend function?
> > Is there a safe way to totally disable the hibernate function?
>
> Reading later, what you want to avoid is automatic hibernation/suspend when
> you close the lid - but that is also a security feature (battery rundown).

In my description ALL indicator lights were off Including the ac line
power/battery charging indicator were all gone dark. Thinking that the ac power
had been disconnected and the battery ran down I hadn’t tried anything else
except to replug the ac adapter, and press the power button, which was when I
discovered that pressing the power (logic) button would trigger a powerdown.

Well the differences I noticed when I manually selected suspend were:

  1. the ac power indicator light stayed on.

I then tried a sequence of several things to wake it back up but nothing
worked until:

  1. the same push of the power button that triggers powerdown when the system
    is running was in fact the only thing that would wake it up from the manually
    activated “suspend”…

If the power button is how I’m supposed to wake a suspended session, it
shouldn’t be a hotkey for poweroff, should it?

–
JtWdyP

#6

On Wed 31 Oct 2012 09:58:10 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:

<snip>
If the power button is how I’m supposed to wake a suspended session, it
shouldn’t be a hotkey for poweroff, should it?

Hi
What are the BIOS settings?

–
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
up 2 days 23:02, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

#7

On 2012-10-31 22:58, JtWdyP wrote:

> I booted to runlevel 3 {via grub: using the “3” kernel option} So there wasn’t
> even an Display Manager running… I logged in as regular user. and as soon as
> I had a bash prompt, I gave the power button a little push. And the poweroff
> cycle began…

Yes, with systemv this was controlled directly in inittab. Mmm… I
thought so, but I can not find the setting in my 11.4. There is the one
for ctrl-alt-del.

> 2) the same push of the power button that triggers powerdown when the system
> is running was in fact the only thing that would wake it up from the manually
> activated “suspend”…

The wakeup is controlled by the bios, and sometimes you can choose the
button or the action.

When I press that button in my 11.4 with gnome I get a menu asking what
I want to do (reboot, halt, hibernate, suspend). So at that moment the
OS has control of the button.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#8

It would appear that on Oct 31, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Wed 31 Oct 2012 09:58:10 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
> > <snip>
> > If the power button is how I’m supposed to wake a suspended session, it
> > shouldn’t be a hotkey for poweroff, should it?
> Hi
> What are the BIOS settings?

Hi

Thanks for responding. I’m not sure what in the bios could have an effect on
this, So I’ll **manually quote most everything.

**meaning using a pen to scribble stuff on paper while looking at the
bios screen. Please forgive any miss-spelled options.


First it's Phoenix Bios ver 84.05
CPU 	AMD Turion 64 x2 mobile tech tl-50
speed	1600 MHz
cache	512 KB

memory:
total	1024MB
slot1	512MB
slot2	512MB
video	128MB

Legacy usb support	enabled
large disk access	dos
autodim			enabled
battery auto learn	disabled
display selection	lcd + crt
quiet boot mode		enabled
local bus ide adaptor	enabled
internal lan		enabled
wireless lan		disabled

I hope something in that means something?
You don’t really need the boot order do you?
Or the details of how it lists the existence of a bios password?

If there is any better system information extractable from the bash command
line, just tell me what the command looks like, and I’ll paste in the results.

But I’m curious, if you press the power button on your machine while opensuse 12.2
is running {in native mode, that is not in a VM} and while not suspended, does
it power down???

And if you suspend opensuse 12.2 {in native mode} on your machine, is it the
power button you need to press to wake the system back up???

–
JtWdyP

#9

On Thu 01 Nov 2012 12:42:23 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:

It would appear that on Oct 31, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Wed 31 Oct 2012 09:58:10 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
> > <snip>
> > If the power button is how I’m supposed to wake a suspended
> > session, it shouldn’t be a hotkey for poweroff, should it?
> Hi
> What are the BIOS settings?

Hi

Thanks for responding. I’m not sure what in the bios could have an
effect on this, So I’ll **manually quote most everything.

**meaning using a pen to scribble stuff on paper while looking
at the bios screen. Please forgive any miss-spelled options.

First it’s Phoenix Bios ver 84.05
CPU AMD Turion 64 x2 mobile tech tl-50
speed 1600 MHz
cache 512 KB

memory:
total 1024MB
slot1 512MB
slot2 512MB
video 128MB

Legacy usb support enabled
large disk access dos
autodim enabled
battery auto learn disabled
display selection lcd + crt
quiet boot mode enabled
local bus ide adaptor enabled
internal lan enabled
wireless lan disabled

I hope something in that means something?
You don’t really need the boot order do you?
Or the details of how it lists the existence of a bios password?

If there is any better system information extractable from the bash
command line, just tell me what the command looks like, and I’ll paste
in the results.

But I’m curious, if you press the power button on your machine while
opensuse 12.2 is running {in native mode, that is not in a VM} and
while not suspended, does it power down???

And if you suspend opensuse 12.2 {in native mode} on your machine, is
it the power button you need to press to wake the system back up???

Hi
So there is no ‘Power’ tab, where you can check the acpi info? If not
if you run as root user;


dmidecode --type bios

Do you see “ACPI is supported” I have this notebook going to sleep when
I shut the lid and then start back up when I open the lid. Else a quick
press on the power button to sleep and wake up…

You should see an acpi event in the output from dmesg like;


ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3

That’s assuming the state can be configured in your bios…

–
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
up 3 days 1:40, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.21, 0.20
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

#10

On 2012-11-01 01:42, JtWdyP wrote:
> Thanks for responding. I’m not sure what in the bios could have an effect on
> this,

Well, I told you that the behavior of the power button is controlled in
the BIOS, to some extent. Some bios say nothing, but if they do, they
clearly say something about the main switch.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#11

It would appear that on Nov 1, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Thu 01 Nov 2012 12:42:23 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
> > Thanks for responding. I’m not sure what in the bios could have an
> > effect on this, So I’ll **manually quote most everything.
> >
> > **meaning using a pen to scribble stuff on paper while looking
> > at the bios screen. Please forgive any miss-spelled options.
—{snip}—
> > I hope something in that means something?
> >
> > If there is any better system information extractable from the bash
> > command line, just tell me what the command looks like, and I’ll paste
> > in the results.
> >
> > But I’m curious, if you press the power button on your machine while
> > opensuse 12.2 is running {in native mode, that is not in a VM} and
> > while not suspended, does it power down???
> >
> > And if you suspend opensuse 12.2 {in native mode} on your machine, is
> > it the power button you need to press to wake the system back up???
>
> So there is no ‘Power’ tab, where you can check the acpi info? If not
> if you run as root user;
>


> dmidecode --type bios
>

Do you see “ACPI is supported”


/home
UnderTree=-> dmidecode --type bios
# dmidecode 2.11
SMBIOS 2.4 present.

Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 24 bytes
BIOS Information
Vendor: Phoenix Technologies LTD
Version: 84.05
Release Date: 11/01/2006
Address: 0xE5870
Runtime Size: 108432 bytes
ROM Size: 1024 kB
Characteristics:
ISA is supported
PCI is supported
PC Card (PCMCIA) is supported
PNP is supported
BIOS is upgradeable
BIOS shadowing is allowed
ESCD support is available
Boot from CD is supported
Selectable boot is supported
EDD is supported
Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
Serial services are supported (int 14h)
Printer services are supported (int 17h)
CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)
ACPI is supported
USB legacy is supported
BIOS boot specification is supported
Function key-initiated network boot is supported
Targeted content distribution is supported

/home
UnderTree=->

Yup!

I have this notebook going to sleep when
I shut the lid and then start back up when I open the lid. Else a quick
press on the power button to sleep and wake up…

Well with mine, it’s not clear what is happening when I close/open the lid…
And when it’s fully running the power button it doing a system halt {with
poweroff}… But, if I suspend via system menu, the power button does wake it.

You should see an acpi event in the output from dmesg like;


> ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3
>

> That’s assuming the state can be configured in your bios…

Yup, when I wake it up after suspending from system menu, I can then find that
very line in the dmesg output…

I don’t know what mode it was in after sitting for hours with the lid down.
{as described in 1st post to thread}
But it was certainly different from suspend. I’m thinking that after making
sure there are no unsaved changes that I care about, I might just see if I can
recreate that mystery state via “lid closed on running system for hours”.

If I can, I will first see if it responds to other wake up methods besides the
power key, or if I can at least switch to a tty so that I can redirect dmesg
to a file before rebooting… Might learn something.

–
JtWdyP

#12

On Thu 01 Nov 2012 04:14:27 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
<snip>
If I can, I will first see if it responds to other wake up methods
besides the power key, or if I can at least switch to a tty so that I
can redirect dmesg to a file before rebooting… Might learn something.

Hi
So have you checked the Advanced Settings on the ‘Shell’ tab for whats
under Power Button Action and the lid settings?

–
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
up 3 days 5:15, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

#13

It would appear that on Oct 31, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2012-10-31 22:58, JtWdyP wrote:
>
> > I booted to runlevel 3 {via grub: using the “3” kernel option} So there wasn’t
> > even an Display Manager running… I logged in as regular user. and as soon as
> > I had a bash prompt, I gave the power button a little push. And the poweroff
> > cycle began…
>
> Yes, with systemv this was controlled directly in inittab. Mmm… I
> thought so, but I can not find the setting in my 11.4. There is the one
> for ctrl-alt-del.

I seem to remember that was where one could decide if the three fingered
salute was supposed to reboot, or halt the system… But I don’t remember a
second such link that would enable anyone who could reach the keyboard to
choose a clean reboot and or initiate a halt and safely walk away before it
finished… Aside from which the ‘ctrl-alt-del’ setting didn’t used to work
from inside X. But this powerdown don’t care about that.

> > 2) the same push of the power button that triggers powerdown when the system
> > is running was in fact the only thing that would wake it up from the manually
> > activated “suspend”…
>
> The wakeup is controlled by the bios, and sometimes you can choose the
> button or the action.
>
> When I press that button in my 11.4 with gnome I get a menu asking what
> I want to do (reboot, halt, hibernate, suspend). So at that moment the
> OS has control of the button.

I would like such a choice.

It would appear that on Nov 1, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2012-11-01 01:42, JtWdyP wrote: {{to malcolmlewis}}
> > Thanks for responding. I’m not sure what in the bios could have an effect on
> > this,
>
> Well, I told you that the behavior of the power button is controlled in
> the BIOS, to some extent. Some bios say nothing, but if they do, they
> clearly say something about the main switch.

Well mine doesn’t seem to mention it… {sigh}

I’m beginning to think that my problem with this may be hardware related. If
so, then I can make peace with it. I need to see if I can reproduce that
sleep-like state that occurred after hours of the lid being closed. The one where the
power button did NOT wake it up… And if that state responds to something
else like sliding my finger across the touchpad, or depressing the shift key,
Then All I need to do is to train myself to always do that before trying to
wake a suspended system, and before attempting to boot a system I think is
powered off…

Thanks!

–
JtWdyP

#14

On 2012-11-01 05:43, JtWdyP wrote:

>> Well, I told you that the behavior of the power button is controlled in
>> the BIOS, to some extent. Some bios say nothing, but if they do, they
>> clearly say something about the main switch.
>
> Well mine doesn’t seem to mention it… {sigh}

Not a surprise on laptops… no idea why.

> I’m beginning to think that my problem with this may be hardware related. If
> so, then I can make peace with it. I need to see if I can reproduce that
> sleep-like state that occurred after hours of the lid being closed. The one where the
> power button did NOT wake it up… And if that state responds to something
> else like sliding my finger across the touchpad, or depressing the shift key,
> Then All I need to do is to train myself to always do that before trying to
> wake a suspended system, and before attempting to boot a system I think is
> powered off…

Possibly :slight_smile:

> Thanks!

Welcome

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#15

On 2012-11-01 05:14, JtWdyP wrote:
> I don’t know what mode it was in after sitting for hours with the lid down.
> {as described in 1st post to thread}
> But it was certainly different from suspend. I’m thinking that after making
> sure there are no unsaved changes that I care about, I might just see if I can
> recreate that mystery state via “lid closed on running system for hours”.

In gnome 2 I can configure actions for that: if on AC power, blank
screen (which I assume powers off the backlight). I would like it also
to force CPU to low speed setting. If on battery typically it suspends,
but I also blank the screen - s2ram kills the mouse in my machine. Then
there is another setting when battery level is too low, which is
normally hibernate.

Typically the machine should wake up when you open the lid, but this
might not work if the machine is hibernated. This action is decided by
the bios, software is not alive. So, if the machine was suspended to ram
and you open the lid, it is possible that touching the power button at
that moment triggers a power down event, while the software is not
running yet. This action would come from the bios.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#16

It would appear that on Nov 1, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Thu 01 Nov 2012 04:14:27 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
> <snip>
> > If I can, I will first see if it responds to other wake up methods
> > besides the power key, or if I can at least switch to a tty so that I
> > can redirect dmesg to a file before rebooting… Might learn something.

Update: I left the lid down for several hours, but that unknown suspend-like
mode didn’t reappear… I’m chalking up as a non-reproducible fluke.

> So have you checked the Advanced Settings on the ‘Shell’ tab for whats
> under Power Button Action and the lid settings?

Ummmnn Pardon me if I’m being dense…

What ‘Shell’ tab under which “Advanced Settings”???

#17

On Thu 01 Nov 2012 04:39:25 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:

> So have you checked the Advanced Settings on the ‘Shell’ tab for whats
> under Power Button Action and the lid settings?

Ummmnn Pardon me if I’m being dense…

What ‘Shell’ tab under which “Advanced Settings”???

Hi
In overview mode, search for Advanced Settings (should only take a few
characters before you see it).

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#18

It would appear that on Nov 1, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Thu 01 Nov 2012 04:39:25 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
>
> > Ummmnn Pardon me if I’m being dense…
> > What ‘Shell’ tab under which “Advanced Settings”???
>
> In overview mode, search for Advanced Settings (should only take a few
> characters before you see it).

One of these days my ship will come in. But with my luck I’ll be too busy
looking for it at the airport for it to do me any good…

Now I’m sure I’m being dense. But I don’t have a clue what you mean by
overview mode?

All I’m really sure is that if I’m supposed to use some overview mode to find
some advanced settings with a shell tab, then you can’t be talking about
something I’m supposed to find in my bios settings screen.

In other words: overview mode of what?

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#19

On Fri 02 Nov 2012 02:41:30 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:

It would appear that on Nov 1, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Thu 01 Nov 2012 04:39:25 PM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
>
> > Ummmnn Pardon me if I’m being dense…
> > What ‘Shell’ tab under which “Advanced Settings”???
>
> In overview mode, search for Advanced Settings (should only take a few
> characters before you see it).

One of these days my ship will come in. But with my luck I’ll be too
busy looking for it at the airport for it to do me any good…

Now I’m sure I’m being dense. But I don’t have a clue what you mean by
overview mode?

All I’m really sure is that if I’m supposed to use some overview mode
to find some advanced settings with a shell tab, then you can’t be
talking about something I’m supposed to find in my bios settings screen.

In other words: overview mode of what?

Hi
In the gnome Shell when you pop the mouse pointer to the top left
corner and get the menu (Overview) then you can search for an
application by typing the name…
http://paste.opensuse.org/70448623

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#20

It would appear that on Nov 2, malcolmlewis did say:

> On Fri 02 Nov 2012 02:41:30 AM CDT, JtWdyP wrote:
>
> > All I’m really sure is that if I’m supposed to use some overview mode
> > to find some advanced settings with a shell tab, then you can’t be
> > talking about something I’m supposed to find in my bios settings screen.
> >
> > In other words: overview mode of what?
> In the gnome Shell when you pop the mouse pointer to the top left
> corner and get the menu (Overview) then you can search for an
> application by typing the name…

Ahhhh Now I know why I was confused…

I use Enlightenment, because I no longer like kde… I never was a gnome
person. In fact if gnome was the only Linux desktop that worked with my
hardware, I’d wind up using Vista… At least then it would feel right to
hate using my computer. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m sure that gnome, like
emacs, is a wonderful thing. But neither is for me. saith this dedicated vim
user…

If this Overview is used to launch the “found” application, then E17 has an
equivalent thing called the “Everything” launcher. But I suspect the “advanced
settings” your talking about are a gnome specific application that I’m not
going to find on my system.

But thanks for the suggestion, and the explanation.

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