I’m just wondering, which would be better OpenSUSE 12.1 (when it’s released), or 11.3 setup with tumble weed.
I’m planning to setup a PC with a 2 TB drive to backup my desktop and laptop with Clonezilla every month or so, with a two to three images per system. Plus zip up important files on the Windows machines to the OpenSUSE.
Any input will be appreciated.
Thanks
It’s your choice, so your decision.
If you want stability, go with 12.1. If you want to be closer to the bleeding edge, go with Tumbleweed.
As far as I known, to use Tumbleweed, you have to keep it up to date. So you should soon be talking about 12.1 Tumbleweed, rather than 11.3 Tumbleweed.
Personally, I’ll be going with 12.1. I will probably also experiment with the early 12.2 milestones when they become available.
I don’t think there ever was a Tumbleweed associated with 11.3. To the best of my recollection, Tumbleweed started being an option with openSUSE-11.4.
On 2011-11-08 07:16, oldcpu wrote:
>
> I don’t think there ever was a Tumbleweed associated with 11.3. To the
> best of my recollection, Tumbleweed started being an option with
> openSUSE-11.4.
I read recently that there was, then it switched to 11.4.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Thats new to me. I would like to see your reference for that as what I recall is what I posted. If there was an 11.3 tumbleweed (I concede I am skeptical) then I suspect it was not announced generally but rather it was a secret proof of concept that was kept quiet. But that is just my skepticism.
On 2011-11-08 17:56, oldcpu wrote:
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> robin_listas;2401595 Wrote:
>> I read recently that there was, then it switched to 11.4.
>>
>
> Thats new to me. I would like to see your reference for that as what I
> recall is what I posted. If there was an 11.3 tumbleweed (I concede I
> am skeptical) then I suspect it was not announced generally but rather
> it was a secret proof of concept that was kept quiet. But that is just
> my skepticism.
Somewhere in the mail lists, I think. Some asked if tumbleweed would now
use 12.1 as a basis. Some one said that perhaps it would branch, and have
two versions, one for 11.4 and another with 12.1. Someone else commented on
what happened with 11.3 before.
I can’t find that mail, but the original announcement said:
+++···········
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:11:04 -0800
From: Greg KH <>
Subject: [opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
…
I’d like to do this “for real” after 11.4 is out, just due to the amount
of time it will take to get the workflow down properly, and due to some
other time constraints on my plate at the moment. I anticipate trying
this out to start with based on 11.3 but I don’t guarantee it all
working properly right at the moment.
···········+±
So it did start with 11.3, but perhaps not that publicly.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Tumbleweed began with 11.3 prior to 11.4. IIRC there was a wiki page, a repo to test the concept, but no packman-tumbleweed repo. I recall using it mainly for newer kernel(s) and improved support for my notebook with intel chipset and integrated graphics. From my zypper log (when running 11.3):
2011-01-04 12:10:17|radd |Tumbleweed|http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/
2011-01-04 12:26:07|install|kernel-firmware|20101214-2.1|noarch|root@linux-1pmj|Tumbleweed|53de0e5c1a0441f901ffbf5ad1cff9c69f11cc4b5555ad16986dceeb4e811c4f
2011-01-04 12:26:22|install|kernel-devel|2.6.36.2-3.1|noarch||Tumbleweed|0617c01b9de3568bbacf9482a31985bfc21ba32829f050808c259b3afa9b5266
# 2011-01-04 12:27:10 kernel-desktop-2.6.36.2-3.1.x86_64.rpm installed ok
Remember the full-screen freeze and the intel driver problem? That newer kernel fixed it for me. I guess that proves it. 
Yes, I did misquote and meant 11.4.
But I think I can wait another 7 days and then will plan to install 12.1 LXDE etc for the system.
Thanks for all the replies and keeping everything on the friendly side of life, sometimes asking question in certain Linux forums brings the wrath of the all might down.
Yes this is a real pain in the ass. Hopefully this has never happened to me here 
Best regards,
Greg
consused, robin_listas, many thanks for your most tactful replies , especially given my lack of historical knowledge here ! :X You have convinced me.
… Indeed you could have started out by replying to me: … " oh yea of little faith, … yes there was an 11.3 tumbleweed … " … But you are both very tactful and most definitely a credit to our forum in your manner of replies.
I don’t think the forum had many posts on tumbleweed in 11.3 to the same extent we have in 11.4 (where now we have a dedicated subforum area, and I don’t even recall tumbleweed on 11.3 - old age on my part perhaps ? 
) …
On 2011-11-09 06:16, oldcpu wrote:
> consused, robin_listas, many thanks for your most tactful replies ,
> especially given my lack of historical knowledge here ! :X You have
> convinced me.
Welcome!
> … Indeed you could have started out by replying to me: … " oh yea
> of little faith, … yes there was an 11.3 tumbleweed … " … But you
> are both very tactful and most definitely a credit to our forum in your
> manner of replies.
I try to be. Sometimes I’m in more of a hurry and my answer can be a bit
dry. And often a newbie can find my answers little detailed: I give the
idea, but not an step by step guide. Some people here are very good with
those detailed answers.
> I don’t think the forum had many posts on tumbleweed in 11.3 to the
> same extent we have in 11.4 (where now we have a dedicated subforum
> area, and I don’t even recall tumbleweed on 11.3 - old age on my part
> perhaps ? 
) …
The forum started in April, and by that time 11.4 was released, I think (I
haven’t verified).
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Indeed, +1.
BTW, I should also have included this entry for example on same day (4 Jan) from my zypp log to show it was really 11.3:
2011-01-04 12:38:51|install|libsmi|0.4.5-131.3.1|x86_64||Updates for openSUSE 11.3 11.3-1.82|c5c999ed266a6d6ee41c431d0bceb6ffb544430e
> I don’t think the forum had many posts on tumbleweed in 11.3 to the
> same extent we have in 11.4 (where now we have a dedicated subforum
> area, and I don’t even recall tumbleweed on 11.3 - old age on my part
> perhaps ?
The forum started in April, and by that time 11.4 was released, I think (I
haven’t verified).
The forum’s first thread was actually on 23 March, concerning 11.4 with tumbleweed repos, and we both posted to it.
I duped to 11.4 on 25 March and I usually wait a while after release. That’s almost eight months – soon be time for 12.1 :D.
You can attach 11.x of any version to the following contemporary repositories, and it will upgrade to Tumbleweed:
john@tumbleweed:~> zypper lr -d
# | Name |Enable|Refresh|Priority| URI |
---+--------------------------+------+-------+--------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
1 | openSUSE Current updates | Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ |
2 | openSUSE Current non-oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ |
3 | openSUSE Current oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ |
4 | openSUSE Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ |
5 | Packman Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes | 99 | http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed
Note that you would also have to delete/disconnect your existing 11.x repos.
Then run “zypper dup” as root and the 11.x will become upgraded to Tumbleweed. It would be wise to do a dummy run with “zypper dup -D” first. If you run the upgrade before or after 12.1 is released does not matter because those repos are designed to seamlessly cross the transition from an underlying distro of 11.4 to an underlying distro of 12.1.
(Of course, the smaller is x in the 11.x that one has, the more you would have to cross your fingers, but 11.3 should be fine – just run “zypper dup -D” first as a test)
On 2011-11-09 13:26, consused wrote:
>> The forum started in April, and by that time 11.4 was released, I think
>> > (I haven’t verified).
> The forum’s first thread was actually on 23 March, concerning 11.4 with
> tumbleweed repos, and we both posted to it.
Mmmm? The welcome message is dated 2011-04-05 21:07. I don’t have anything
earlier than that.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Even so, try this link. That thread is at the bottom of the last page of threads, and interestingly you made the last post.
On 2011-11-09 21:36, consused wrote:
>> Mmmm? The welcome message is dated 2011-04-05 21:07. I don’t have
>> anything earlier than that.
> Even so, try ‘this link’ (http://tinyurl.com/74vf7s4). That thread is
> at the bottom of the last page of threads, and interestingly you made
> the last post.
Weird. I can’t see that thread in the nntp side.
…]
AH! That thread started in the boot-login forum, and was later moved to the
tumbleweed forum. That’s why.
The Tumbleweed forum started later, and some earlier posts were migrated
from other forums. So the starting date you see is not the real starting date.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Smoke and mirrors. Glad you cleared that up.