Hi all,
I am trying to figure out why my Opensuse11 is still locking up.
It is so random, that I can’t put a finger on it.
It happens either when I open thunderbird, or when firefox is on, or when I am viewing the mount folders, or all of the above together.
It is a fresh install from yesterday too, the previous install was doing it.
Where can I start to look?
Thanks
Heeter
i just posted something to you, to your original thread somewhere else, but:
are you running beagle? if so, disable or delete it
are you running reiser file system on any partition? if so there is a
known problem with it on v 11.0
my guess is one of those above will fix it…if not, then continue
and did it start locking up immediately after the new initial install
from yesterday…after all patches were installed BUT before you added
anything new to the system or make any changes–like loading the nvidia
driver?
IF it was unstable before loading the nvidia driver, is it sill
afterwards, without loading any other new thing?
do you have anything plugged into any USB slot? if so, shut down,
unplug all USB and then boot…is it stable now?
are you running 64 bit (some say 32 is more stable, and just as fast
if you have 4 GB of RAM or less, and don’t load up with HUGE files)
i don’t remember, are you using KDE4? firefox3?
if you boot, and immediately open an xterm and run top…do you (for
example) see something begin to suck up all the cpu just before the freeze?
did you install atop, if so, do the hard drives turn red and go very
busy just prior to/as you get the freeze?
is it possible the harddisk space available to SuSE is pretty close to
full?
did you install htop, if so what jumps to the top of that list just
before/as you get the freeze
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark
Well, actually I too have the same problem, but it happens only when Firefox3 is functioning. The system freezes for about10 seconds and then gets back on track again.
I also have Compiz running, so most probably its consuming too much RAM/system resources.
I agree with DenverD about something consuming your cpu time. When the system is frozen can you log in in another terminal? Try it. Press ctrl alt f1 at the same time . If it’s possible the system is not locked. Now log in with the same user that is freezing in graphical mode and perform the top command. Investigate if something is consuming your cpu. If so press q. Write down the pid of the process blocking and kill it with the command kill -9 <the pid you wrote>. Switch again in graphical mode pressing ctrl alt f7. Tell us if this happens then we’ll try to insulate the corrupting process
sometimes when firefox was running cpu went crazy…you must see where cpu is working,then we can say where’s the problem. are you running 64 bit ?now i’m running 32 bit and it works good,my pc is quite old 
To me we cannot focus on Firefox until we don’t have the output of top. Firefox solved a lot of memory problems and mine is running fine. And the problem appears not only running Firefox but even browsing file system under X! So let’s fall back to text console and look what’s happening from the outside.
Thanks a lot for your response, DenverD
I disabled Beagle. I do not know of this reiser file system, so I don’t think I used, just default partitioning.
I did the fresh install, then took up the updates, then the nvidia driver (176.X.X.X) install. Everything seemed to be working fine.
I then configured samba and fstabbed three network shares.
I installed Thunderbird and moved my email over.
Then I started to notice the freeze-ups/lock-ups. It freezes for about fifteen seconds then returns. Or it lockups solid, and needs rebooting, or the applications start, but shut down without opening. But it is so eratic.
I printed out your list and gonna keep beside this workstation.
Hopefully it will narrow down what is happening here and resolve it.
Heeter
I forgot to mention, while running top, I see that the cpu cranks up to 69% when I open/use firefox. It also cranks up to 62% when opening Thunderbird. Yast sucks up 23% upon opening, and cpu idles at 0.4%
I have KDE3.5 32bit OpenSUSE11
Heeter
Sorry, Guys, but edit posts when I log out of the site, so here is my third in a row post.
You mentioned how full is my HD?
Well I clicked on “My Computer” on desk top to see how full, and my drive is not listed there. I went into the partitioner, and noticed that all the partitions are listed as RAID setups. I never set them up as raid, just default install.
Heeter
> Thanks a lot for your response, DenverD
welcome
> I did the fresh install, then took up the updates, then the nvidia
> driver (176.X.X.X) install. Everything seemed to be working fine.
>
> I then configured samba and fstabbed three network shares.
so far so good!!
> I installed Thunderbird and moved my email over.
about how much time did things go good after successfully connecting
with the Window™ network until you installed Thunderbird?
how did you install Thunderbird? via YaST?
> Then I started to notice the freeze-ups/lock-ups. It freezes for about
> fifteen seconds then returns. Or it lockups solid, and needs rebooting,
> or the applications start, but shut down without opening. But it is so
> eratic.
how long will it run without a problem if you boot and do NOT start
either thunderbird or firefox…
use konqueror for browser and just forget mail until we find the cause…
> while running top, I see that the cpu cranks up to
> 69% when I open/use firefox. It also cranks up to 62% when opening
> Thunderbird.
but, then it falls back down…leave top open on your desktop where you
can see it…and the instant you notice a freeze, look at top…what is
sucking THEN?
> You mentioned how full is my HD?
go to a terminal, type in
df -h and press enter
then, use your mouse to copy and paste it into your reply (using
konqueror to connect to the forum)
and, did you mention yet if you are using a USB wireless mouse, keyboard
or any other thing plugged into a usb socket? (i ask because,
well…just search these fora for threads with USB in the subject line
and you will see that LOTs of folks are having NEW problems with USB in
v 11.0 that they never had in 10.3 or before…so, there IS something
going on there…
good luck, keep smiling, have fun (and, tell me again…is this a dual
boot machine?)
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark
Hi. I googled a lot. Seems that i am one of the fews not having this problem. All of them agree about less memory usage than FF2, but point on the cpu usage. Now i would suggest to try a version from the Mozilla site. Download FF3 in tgz format, uncompress in a folder you want and execute from there. Then try again top to see if the cpu is less used.
Thanks DenverD,
1- I installed Thunderbird immediately after connecting to the Windows workgroup. I did install Thunderbird using YAST.
2- When sitting idle seems to work okay, doesn’t lock up when sitting idle.
3- HD usage:
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/pdc_bdhadhdca_part7
20G 3.5G 16G 19% /
udev 506M 160K 506M 1% /dev
/dev/mapper/pdc_bdhadhdca_part5
69M 30M 36M 45% /boot
/dev/mapper/pdc_bdhadhdca_part8
125G 1.4G 118G 2% /home
//192.168.1.144/Documents
284G 139G 145G 50% /home/administrator/serverdocs
//192.168.1.144/Ftpfiles
284G 139G 145G 50% /home/administrator/ftpfiles
//192.168.1.144/webroot
284G 139G 145G 50% /home/administrator/webroot
4-All my peripherals are USB (Logitech MX Revolution Mouse, Microsoft Reclusa Keyboard, Epson CX3810 Printer/Scanner)
Can I use Evolution instead of Thunberbird for the time being? Or can I import thunderbird settings into Kmail? I will use konqueror webbrowser for the time being.
Thanks again for your assistance,
Heeter
I replaced firefox with Opera,
So far since yesterday, the system hasn’t locked up, but Opera did on one occasion just shut down itself.
This might be a step in the right direction.
Heeter
> This might be a step in the right direction.
was firefoxThree you were using, right?
if so, it is not the first time i’ve read here having a problem with ff3
and suse11.0
give it a while (some months) and try updating FF…maybe they (or
Novell) sorts out the problem…
good luck,
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark
Thanks for sticking with me, DenverD
And it was FF3, I was using.
The more we are using Opera, the more I think it is just gonna stay.
Heeter
- are you running reiser file system on any partition? if so there is a known problem with it on v 11.0
Swell. All my partitions are Reiser FS (except swap). I have had/upgraded this instalation through several versions, and that is what Suse used to create by default. What kind of problems?
- are you running beagle? if so, disable or delete it
Yes, it is running, but I can’t get the PC to respond long enough to get rid of it. I will try “safe” mode when I go home tonight. Mine freezes as soon as I log in (it was an update from 10.3). All I can do is move the mouse around. Does not matter if I select KDE3 or KDE4 for the session type. I have not tried Gnome yet.
You could try booting into runlevel 3 by entering ’ init 3 ’ as boot option.
At the login screen log in as root and issue ’ zypper remove beagle ’
When that has been done search for other beagle related packages with ’ rpm -qa | grep beagle ’ , the only package I’ve left on the system that has to do with beagle is libbeagle1-xxx’ due to some dependencies.
edit: as for ReiserFS, edit your fstab and replace existing options on your Reiser partitions with ’ noatime,noacl ’
I’ve been running smoothly for +three weeks now with a fresh install on … yep, reiser.
hope that helps,
Wj
Thanks my friend. I will give those suggestions a try when I get home (still early here on the east coast of the USA).
Cheers,
tdelany wrote:
>> - are you running reiser file system on any partition? if so there is a
>> known problem with it on v 11.0
>
> Swell.
i just read in another forum that the latest kernel update addresses the
problem…when that will be distro’ed via SuSE i have no idea, and if it
will help you? who knows…
>> - are you running beagle? if so, disable or delete it
>
> Yes, it is running, but I can’t get the PC to respond long enough to
> get rid of it. I will try “safe” mode when I go home tonight. Mine
> freezes as soon as I log in (it was an update from 10.3). All I can do
> is move the mouse around. Does not matter if I select KDE3 or KDE4 for
> the session type. I have not tried Gnome yet.
that sounds really bad! a lot worse than most folks who get well when
the beagle dies…so, i’m not sure you are gonna get happy that way…
do you have /home on a separate partition? and/or have all YOUR files
safe and secure, backed up etc?
and, tell me again what was wrong with 10.3 that drove you to upgrade??
let me say that a different way: you might wanna consider wiping
the root drive, and installing a nice, fresh, stable 10.3 to use until
11.0 works better with reiser…
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark
Nothing was wrong with 10.3. I was lured by the prospect of the “latest and greatest” being “cooler”. Should have known better.