OpenSuse 11 free & boxed versions

Can someone tell me the difference between OpenSuse 11 free and the boxed version?

I have two computers one is a desktop running and AMD2, currently with Ubuntu 7.10. Have ran the OpenSuse 11 Live CD from ‘Linux Journal’ and apart from not having a driver for the Samsung ML-1610 printer it ‘works out of the box’, once apic is off.

Now the problem machine, my Asus X50RL laptop with an Atheros AR5007EG WiFi chip and an Attansic L2 Ethernet chip. Neither of which are natively supported by Linux.

I have spent over week trying to get the laptop to work and after waiting to Ubuntu 8.10 things just got worse. Loaded Debian ‘Lenny’ ‘Testing’ and got the WiFi to work with Madwifi and it’s very solid, but very basic.

On the other hand OpenSuse looks very nice. I will probable give it a go.

If the Boxed Set has more hardware support I will get it. It’s only AUD80.

The disk that came with ‘Linux Journal’ 'Special Edition is that exactly the same as the official download. From experience some magazines change a few things?

i don’t know how much of a difference there is between free and boxed. but, i do know that there is a huge difference between installing from the live CD versus installing from the DVD version. also, make sure you are using a 32 or 64-bit installation according to your needs. each cd or dvd is designed only to support one or the other.

what you will probably end up doing is using ndiswrapper to mount the windows driver for your wifichip. that is what i had to do, but i had to reinstall because i used livecd and there were some missing files as a result.

here is what you should do…

check to see if you want 32-bit or 64-bit
download the proper dvd iso file
md5checksum
burn it to disk at a very slow speed
delete your linux partitions
reinstall from dvd

but most importantly, make yourself a thread in the hardware forum. this is where i went to get a complete walkthrough of how to install my wifichip with ndiswrapper. make a thread and post your exact wireless chip. they will tell you what to do next. goodluck.

Loading Madwifi with an online connection is Catch 22 as:

  1. I only have a Wifi AP
  2. The Ethernet as I said is Attansic L2 also not supported by Kernal.

I would also like to know the difference with Suse Enterprise.

I guess what I am looking for is something that will work ‘out of the box’ even if I pay for it.

If anyone in Brisbane that can help me please let me know.

The dvd you download, and the boxed dvd are mostly the same.

The boxed dvd is commercially burned, so it is of a very high quality. Its pressed/made professionally. You get a small manual with the boxed dvd. You also get (included in the boxed dvd) support from Novell for certain aspects of your installation.

The AR5007EG is a bear to get working. There are madwifi rpms in the build service repos specifically built to handle the AR5007EG. I do not know how well they will work.

Note openSUSE is “open” which means it typically does not support hardware that uses proprietary drivers “out of the box” nor “as downloaded”. Instead one has to go to 3rd party sites to get the drivers.

Obviously I like openSUSE, … but some words of caution … KDE-4.0.4 in openSUSE-11.0 is immature. If you wish to try KDE4, wait until mid-Dec-2008 and procure and install openSUSE-11.1 with KDE-4.1.2. IMHO it promises to be a good release.

I do not believe it does. You need to go to 3rd party sites to get drivers for hardware with proprietary drivers.

  • oldcpu wrote, On 11/02/2008 02:36 AM:

> The boxed dvd is commercially burned, so it is of a very high quality.
> Its pressed/made professionally. You get a small manual with the boxed
> dvd. You also get (included in the boxed dvd) support from Novell for
> certain aspects of your installation.

There’s also training videos in the box. I never saw them, so I cannot make a judgement if they are worth the money or make the boxed version more suitable for beginners.

Uwe

For 11.0, these training videos were only included in the german version, not in the english one.

I didn’t know that box for DVD cost 60 EUR :wink:
Seriously, 60 EUR is too much for free Linux distribution burned on DVD and packed into the box :
I think that it should cost max 30 EUR, then more people would be interested in boxed version :smiley:

rozbarwinek, I don’t share your view. One is paying for support from Novell/SuSE-GmbH, paying for a manaul, and paying for a commercially pressed DVD, and not just a run of the mill downloaded and home burned DVD.

Plus, more importantly, there is the philosophy of providing financial support to the openSource free software movement. One can contribute in many ways, and a financial contribution to Novell/SuSE-GmbH specifically via purchasing openSUSE is one way to do that.

Users who do not want to contribute that way are free to download the iso files and burn the dvd themselves.

Well rozbarwinek, if you don’t want to pay for it, you can always shock horror, copy it. Oh wait, it’s already free if you download it.

So if you are a hard-up student, then it’s understandable that 60€ is a lot of money and you should download it, ask a friend to burn a DVD from his download, or buy a pressed copy of the Internet version from a duplicator. But if you are a business, then I think 60€ is nothing considering the high-quality software on it. I always recommend to my business customers that they buy a box set as a way of supporting the developers and it makes they feel good they they have a box set to show if they are worried about business software audits, although that is never a problem with OSS. What’s more they can install it on as many machines in their business as they like. What’s not to like? :slight_smile:

I recommend you get the free version here: Index of /distribution/11.0/iso. Install it; then the fine folks here on the forum will help get it configured;)

Don’t forget to search the forum. For example, I wrote a howto for the Atheros AR5007EG WiFi chip – what I am saying is most of the things you are asking have already been answered.

Use 11.0 to learn. Then very soon, we will have 11.1 (now in beta4) which I expect will have the AR5007EG driver native as it just keeps getting better. In the meantime, there are work arounds.

When the boxed version of 11.1 comes out in a couple of months, many of us will get that version having played with the GM version. The Boxed version will have numerous 3rd party proprietary packages that the GM version will not have, but it will not be all things to all people especially those with the latest & greatest whizbang. The beautiful thing is that Devs (devlopers) all over the world are working to provide solutions for you and me and our whizbangs.

Then there will be SLED 11 early next year (I hope)-- which I’m gonna get too! That one comes with real support; not from ham hackers like me.

Have fun…Stay tuned:)

  • Spyhawk wrote, On 11/02/2008 05:26 PM:
    > For 11.0, these training videos were only included in the german
    > version, not in the english one.

Didn’t know that. What a poor deal then :slight_smile:

Uwe

Hey, I’m not a rookie :slight_smile: I’m using Linux since 1999 :slight_smile: I just think that novell should think about home PC users, not just companies :slight_smile:

I remember when I first installed Red Hat in 1998. Shortly after I managed to get X up and running (it took me over a week), I sort of “boasted” in an email to a friend overseas about my successful install of Red Hat Linux, also noting in same email that Red Hat cost me next to nothing ($5.00 for the CD or something from some adhoc supplier) and I even managed to get a copy of the printed manual (from another adhoc supplier) for something like $15.00 or so.

My friend wrote me back a deep philosophical email about openSource , about the need to support the open source software movement, chastising me for not purchasing the proper Red Hat version (cost around $100 US in 1998) and noted that the properly bound manual was practically worth the $100 price. After reading the email, I went out and purchased the proper $100 version of Red Hat (even though I had already installed a copy from elsewhere). That was over 10 years ago, but that email made a lasting impression on me, and ever since I have purchased the version of Linux, if it remains on my PC for more than a couple of weeks.

I think the participants in this thread are well aware of the openSource movement, … but if one looks at the capabilities of a Linux OS implementation in a distribution, and compares that to what one gets from a proprietary OS for home PC users (from MS-DOS and DR-DOS, and OS-2, thru to the latest MS-Windows Vista variants) I honestly can not see 60 euros as being too much. Just the contrary, IMHO openSUSE Linux could easily cost double that price.

IMHO its only because openSUSE is produced under the freedoms of the openSource movement (over the backs of many volunteers, and the free donations of many companies) that its price can be kept at the low level that it current is at. And IMHO if it were not for Novell acquisition/funding of SuSE-GmbH, there is a strong possibility openSUSE would have gone bankrupt by now.

Further (before I fall off my podium) I note Ubuntu is being funded by a multimillionaire, and it was VERY recently noted that Ubuntu does not have a positive cash flow. Just the contrary! How long will this multimillionaire continue to carry Ubuntu at a negative cash flow? Fortunately openSUSE has Novell providing the funding.

The point I am making here is to package an OS like Ubuntu, or like openSUSE, does cost money. It costs a lot of money. IMHO it behooves those of us who can afford, to contribute to the packaging of the Linux distribution we install and use for a sustained period of time.

Anyway, I’ll jump off my podium and stop my rant :slight_smile:

They do, that’s why you have OpenSUSE. Are you saying they should lose money on producing a manual and making pressed DVDs for home users? This on top of paying developers’ salaries? Haven’t you already got a fantastic deal downloading this software for nothing, or finding a DVD in a Linux magazine, and in the system there’s not a single nagging screen every 10 minutes saying why don’t you buy a box set?

Ok, I just didn’t know why it cost so much :slight_smile:
I live in country where the national average is 300€ per month so 60€ is a lot of money for me :
I was thinking that much because of human rapacity but if I can help novell buying boxed version of openSUSE so I think I could save some money for openSUSE 11.1 :smiley:
Thanks for info :shame:

You make a valid point.

If it were me in your situation, I would download the iso file and burn the CD/DVD, or obtain a cheap 5 euro mail-order copy of the openSUSE CD/DVD from a site (such as from the companay that advertises CD/DVDs on distrowatch), and I would contribute to openSUSE / openSource movement in other non-financial ways.

Hi
Interesting that purchasing SLED updates works out cheaper per
year… for my three years support plus media was US$105 in November
2006.


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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I am doing it :slight_smile: I’m a graphic designer and I have designed inter alia a ubudsl project :slight_smile:
I have already downloaded openSUSE 11.0 but I’m a prig so you understand… :smiley: