I’m currently trying to go from OpenSUSE 11.4 to Tumbleweed, just because.
My question is, I’ve added both Packman Tumbleweed, and the OpenSUSE Tumbleweed repos to my YaST2 repo list, but I was wondering which repositories should now be turned off.
I have disabled the 11.4 Packman repository, but should I keep any of the following? My guess is no?
Updates for openSUSE 11.4
openSUSE 11.4 Non-Oss
openSUSE 11.4-Oss
I also assume that after switching my repositories, I would issue a “Switch packages to those from this repositories” first to the OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and then to the Packman Tumbleweed repositories. Would that be correct?
My understanding is that you keep those three 11.4 standard repos enabled (since Tumbleweed repo doesn’t contain all the packages needed for a system). You have Packman Tumbleweed repo also enabled, having disabled the standard Packman repo. Then you perform a zypper dup in a terminal (as root). Why don’t you read the istructions for Tumbleweed in the openSUSE Wiki - just search on “tumbleweed” to reach the project’s portal.
I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the “old” repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn’t even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was a no brainer) so I figured I’d ask before doing anything. Thanks!
On 2011-03-23 04:06, LostChild1 wrote:
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> I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the “old”
> repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn’t
> even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was
> a no brainer) so I figured I’d ask before doing anything. Thanks!
You could ask them - they are in the factory mail list.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
On 03/23/2011 04:06 AM, LostChild1 wrote:
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> I was on the Portal: Tumbleweed, but it made no mention of the “old”
> repositories, instead only mentioning to add the new ones (It didn’t
> even really mention disabling the old Packman repo, which I figured was
> a no brainer) so I figured I’d ask before doing anything. Thanks!
>
i believe the confusion on the precise way to move from 11.4 to
Tumbleweed may be due to insufficient/not totally clear direction on
the Tumbleweed portal page…
(if i understand the portal page correctly) the deficiency should be
raised via feedback to the openSUSE Factory mail list…and, a link to
that mail list is on the page [look in the paragraph titled: “How can
I contribute?”]
as well as i can understand that page all Tumbleweed feedback (
problems encountered, failures seen, help questions, praise, barbs,
successes and etc etc etc) should go directly to the devs, via that
mail list…
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DenverD
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
On 03/23/2011 05:36 PM, consused wrote:
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> That may have been deliberate, on the basis that if one needs to ask
> about repos or how to perform the update, one shouldn’t be using
> Tumbleweed.
i wasn’t saying the wiki was “wrong” or bad…just that the
documentation given to date is insufficient as a step-by-step, all
bases covered, do this and all will be swell…
its not that, because it can’t be, yet…it is a new project still
very early in the gettin’ goin’ stage…
but, also the lack of clear documentation doesn’t give the self
appointed helpers here the chance to answer questions based on known
fact…unless (like caf) they use Tumbleweed
a problem i see is even if you or others (or even me–fat chance that
happens) have sufficient experience with Tumbleweed to answer
questions and solve problems here on this project will you/others be
forwarding the questions you answer and problems you solve to the devs
(because they have promised to NOT come here to learn anything about
how folks are getting on with anything)…
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DenverD
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[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.1.8, nVidia
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
I am not sure about disabling of the standard Packman repository. Doing so will make some packages unavailable e.g. audacity and ffmpeg.
In much the same way that Tumbleweed adds to the standard OSS, Non-OSS and Updates repositories of openSUSE, I see that Packman Tumbleweed just adds to the standard Packman repository.
I actually wonder how Tumbleweed will work with Packman because, in a sense, their repositories are already rolling and they do not have a concept of stable and updates repositories.
You raise an interesting question about Packman for Tumbleweed i.e. additional repo or replacement repo? Bear in mind that Packman for Tumbleweed is an Essentials repo as documented here on the Additional package repositories wiki page.
So if you only had 11.4 Essentials, you would relace with Tumbleweed Essentials, and you would have to add 11.4 Multimedia, Games etc to get additional packages.
However what if you have installed “11.4 All of Packman”? Apparently if you add “Tumbleweed All of Packman”, that wiki page says it makes no difference i.e. it’s the same as Tumbleweed Essentials? Have I understood that correctly?
On 03/23/2011 08:06 PM, consused wrote:
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> However what if you have installed “11.4 All of Packman”? Apparently if
> you add “Tumbleweed All of Packman”, that wiki page says it makes no
> difference i.e. it’s the same as Tumbleweed Essentials? Have I
> understood that correctly?
sounds like GREAT questions for the folks on the mail list to answer…
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DenverD
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
On 03/23/2011 09:36 PM, consused wrote:
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> Or to the author of the Wiki page in question…
>
seems to me, as long as the wiki says what it does the questions
should go to the mail list…of course, if you wanna ringy-dingy
the Wiki page editor go ahead…
but, as far as i can see you and caf may be the only ones here
qualified to answer all the T questions…
should be fun to observe…
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DenverD
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
On 2011-03-23 19:36, neildarlow wrote:
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> I am not sure about disabling of the standard Packman repository. Doing
> so will make some packages unavailable e.g. audacity and ffmpeg.
>
> In much the same way that Tumbleweed adds to the standard OSS, Non-OSS
> and Updates repositories of openSUSE, I see that Packman Tumbleweed just
> adds to the standard Packman repository.
Misconception. Tumbleweed replaces, not adds to, the standard oss and non
oss repos. You are to remove all your existing repos, add tumbleweed, and
then packman for tumbleweed if you want.
To tumbleweed you can add those repos that have a version for tumbleweed,
all the rest, remove. Remember that Tumbleweed is a new version of the distro.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
That doesn’t make any sense. The Tumbleweed repo doesn’t contain enough packages to replace the standard repos. How would you install any packages without the Oss repo. What about Non-oss packages?
On 2011-03-27 01:06, consused wrote:
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> robin_listas;2312695 Wrote:
>> You are to remove all your existing repos, add tumbleweed, and
>> then packman for tumbleweed if you want.
> Where is your citation for this statement?
The little that has been said in the few sources there are. The
documentation is not clear.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
On 03/27/2011 01:06 AM, consused wrote:
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> That doesn’t make any sense. The Tumbleweed repo doesn’t contain enough
> packages to replace the standard repos. How would you install any
> packages without the Oss repo. What about Non-oss packages?
>
>
unfortunately, with all his experience, even Carlos is not the best
source of info to answer this question (and many others):
What is the best method to get from openSUSE 11.4 to Tumbleweed, and
then maintain a rolling release able to add new applications as needed?
i say again: when using Tumbleweed give a feedback, share experience
and report issues to the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
it is THERE which the answers to these questions should be
found…(at least until there is a wiki (or other) how-to)…
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DenverD
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
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Since when did that prevent anyone from posting in this forum (present company not excepted).
It’s commonsense and quite obvious to me that in order to add further packages to a system, the best solution is to add a repo, and then use it. That doesn’t need asking on the developers’ mailing list.
On 03/27/2011 04:06 PM, consused wrote:
> It’s commonsense and quite obvious to me that in order to add further
> packages to a system, the best solution is to add a repo, and then use
> it. That doesn’t need asking on the developers’ mailing list.
ok, so write that up to be part of the documentation for Tumbleweed
submit it for inclusion…
or, just edit the Tumbleweed portal to include the answer to that ONE
question.
but is that the best place to submit it? (i guess there is another
question for the mail list…)
see, i don’t consider this forum of USERs to be the place that
either users (new, intermediate or highly experienced users of new
releases) should first look for official information and direction…
instead, i think the first resource should be the developer approved
documentation, manuals, guides, how-to and etc…
ymmv.
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DenverD
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“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
