Opensuse 11.3 KDE freeze on USB stick.

Namasthe,

I have read lots about KDE (4.xx) freeze on OpenSuse 11.3 Live. Well I have experienced it first hand.

My hard disk which had Opensuse 11.3 (reiserfs) crashed. It was a dual boot and a windows upgrade wiped out the partition information. I am still trying to resuce with dd-rescue.

Now in the meanwhile I burnt a opensuse 11.3 Live CD and worked on it for a week. I was bit annoyed that every too often the cd drive spins…so I decided to burn a usb stick. Its a 2 gb USB stick. I followed the instructions to the toto to burn the ISO image. Then my nightmares started >:)

The USB STICK boot was smooth. However when the desktop starts …the trouble begins. I clicked on firefox…after about 10 seconds I experienced the dreaded freeze first. I had to reboot the system.

Everything was fine till i started Firefox, the system froze. Now reboot → start → firefox → freeze cycle continued. I got fed up.

I then downloaded google-chrome. Installed it (after updating a couple of drivers) . It worked flawless. I loaded it with graphics…still no problem. Then started firefox … the system froze. I even disabled all KDE windows animation, set only one window pane, still there is a freeze.

I took my USB stick off and rebooted the system though live CD. I started firefox on boot, NO problems. Opened many many tabs. Still no problem.

So there is a SURE problem with USB + Firefox. I SUSPECT IT MORE DUE TO NETWORK ISSUES THAN GUI (DRIVER) ISSUE. If it were to be GUI driver issue firefox should have fozen both with CD and USB.

Mine is pentium duo processor machine with 2gb RAM (DDR2). Intel chipset for video.
I checked the MD5 of downloaded ISO its matched the one on the site. So the iso image is flawless.

All the threads in this regard suspect the video drivers, but I ALSO suspect the network. May be there is a wait() state in the network driver that is holding the process for way too long causing the freeze. Somebody needs to check this up.

The freeze is on USB stick boot only and not on CD boot.

This is a critical issue that needs to be addressed fast.

Regards
Rathnadhar.K.V.

Hello rathnadhar and welcome to the community!:wink:

It might be a good idea to make sure it’s an openSUSE problem.
Because it could be a corrupted iso, or a failing USB-stick.

I suggest you check the MD5sum of the iso.
You can find the sums here: Index of /distribution/11.3/iso

Also try it on a different stick or do a filesystem check on your USB-stick.

Best of luck!:wink:

On 01/31/2011 07:06 PM, rathnadhar wrote:

> My hard disk which had Opensuse 11.3 (reiserfs) crashed.

i guess you must have your operational reasons for using reiserfs, but
most folks around here would discourage you from that…

let me say that a different way: i’m not at all surprised you had
trouble with a 11.3 system installed on reiserfs…

i’m not sure, but i don’t the grub partition can even exist on reiser…

why not stick with ext 3 or 4?

> It was a dual
> boot and a windows upgrade wiped out the partition information. I am
> still trying to resuce with dd-rescue.

windows is a predatory operating system–company policy is that there
is no need for any other system, and none should be easily accommodated…

especially it MS will always (if given the chance) remove the ability
to boot to any non-MS system…that has been going on since, 1995,
at least…

always backup.

> Now in the meanwhile I burnt a opensuse 11.3 Live CD and worked on it
> for a week. I was bit annoyed that every too often the cd drive
> spins…

sounds like a bad burned disk, or a cd reader going bad…

> so I decided to burn a usb stick. Its a 2 gb USB stick. I
> followed the instructions to the toto to burn the ISO image. Then my
> nightmares started >:)

did you do this with both the CD and the usb media:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10573557/11.3%20Install/1.jpg

> The USB STICK boot was smooth. However when the desktop starts …the
> trouble begins. I clicked on firefox…after about 10 seconds I
> experienced the dreaded freeze first. I had to reboot the system.

you are either very unlucky OR using corrupt install media OR have so
very badly incompatible hardware…i say that because i removed a
hard drive which was loaded with a rock stable openSUSE 10.2 last
week, and installed openSUSE 10.3 and i have had none of the
problems you report…

i’ve not had one freeze…not even for two seconds…

nothing, smooth as glass and wonderful…

> Everything was fine till i started Firefox, the system froze. Now
> reboot → start → firefox → freeze cycle continued. I got fed up.

why is the question: what do the logs tell you about what was going on
in X and your KDE and firefox

> I then downloaded google-chrome. Installed it (after updating a couple
> of drivers).

within the last hour i installed google-chrome…but, i didn’t
download it, nor did i have to mess with any drivers…instead i just
picked the RPM for my chip and when asked, elected to allow the
software installer ‘catch’ the download and install…thirty seconds
later i have a full up FAST chrome browser…

> It worked flawless. I loaded it with graphics…still no
> problem. Then started firefox … the system froze. I even disabled all
> KDE windows animation, set only one window pane, still there is a
> freeze.

turn off desktop effects and remove all add-ons to firefox…

> I took my USB stick off and rebooted the system though live CD. I
> started firefox on boot, NO problems. Opened many many tabs. Still no
> problem.

see, the firefox code is good…but, there is something in your
installed system which is not working with the good code which FF
has…maybe that is caused by corrupted software in the system (that
is the previously mentioned install media) or maybe something
else…but it IS solvable…thousands and thousands use it every day,
all day…with no problems…

> So there is a SURE problem with USB + Firefox.

nope, not here…just there…it is a problem with your hardware or
the operating system as it exists on your hardware…

> I SUSPECT IT MORE DUE TO
> NETWORK ISSUES THAN GUI (DRIVER) ISSUE. If it were to be GUI driver
> issue firefox should have fozen both with CD and USB.

that i do not know…

> Mine is pentium duo processor machine with 2gb RAM (DDR2). Intel
> chipset for video.
> I checked the MD5 of downloaded ISO its matched the one on the site. So
> the iso image is flawless.

while the iso may be flawless, is that cd or USB stick exact and not
flawed??

> but I ALSO
> suspect the network. May be there is a wait() state in the network
> driver that is holding the process for way too long causing the freeze.

did you disable IPv6 in your system…there are dozens and dozens of
threads on how to do that here, so knowing you can track that down, i
won’t repeat it again…


DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11

Here is some update:

  1. The MD5 sum is correct. So error in download.
  2. Burning on USB stick 100% correct.
  3. The run was flawless when run fresh.
  4. Wanted to install Chrome, it asked for libjpng and lsb upgrade.
  5. libpng → flawless update
  6. Once lsb updates starts, the system hangs…even on reboot cycles …system hangs…

Reinstalled KDE Live, no problem.

Again try to install lsb…system hangs…so suspect problem here.

Now trying to install live LXE …as its lightweight…

I had ealier installed RIP linux…its just amaing little fellow…very fast…but very limited!!!

At least I could run Google Chrome on it without any problem !!!

Thanks every body for your detailed reply …I appreaciate that.

Did you check/disable ipv6 as DenverD suggested?

Yes I did.

I burnt my usb and in the middle it hanged.

Then I rebooted using my CD…installed the fresh ISO and then tried again…this time to it hanged.
Once again booted in level 5 then went to level 3 and tried to install lsb … system froze.
So there is a certanity when I tried to upgrade lsb, the system freezes…

I downloaded LXE live as i thought lxe is lighware…
The download and burn to usb was flawless (I checked the md5)…
I booted with lxe…
gotcha…it tried to set some super blocks and hung…continuously rebooting after 120 seconds…I had to stop that manually…the iso i used was openSUSE-LXDE-11.3.i686-1.0.0-Build21.6.iso. Fed up… I gave up on lxde…

Then I downloaded KDE-Four-Live.i686-4.5.4-Build1.28.iso the one with KDE 4.5 and burnt it…it booted perfectly…
the KDE 4.5 much faster and much better than earlier ones…

But there was a great amazement for me…the packaging was WORSE than before.

  1. No firefox.
  2. Kickoff application launcher is terrible. No Konsole, no Amarok nothing…just file manager, browser and configure desktop.
  3. THE GREATEST KICKASSS → MP3 does not work. I know its due to “legal” issues. So my sound does not play.
  4. Still greater kickass…it did not recognize my sound hardware at all…
  5. Worse it has Nepomuck (desktop search) as a default ON…come on …on a live system when I am crying for RAM space why the hell I need a desktop search !!! think of it…If Nepomuck is there…then it should be DEFAULT OFF.

SO this whole stuff of a new iso a retrograde step… Perhaps OpenSUSE wants to commit harakiri !!

Now I have downloaded puppyLinux…let me post my experience with that…

Still guys, I would rate RIP linux above SuSE (ALAS, after a fan of SUSE for more 5 years…and having installed SUSE all over the place, i have to admit this…). RIP is small, fast …it runs of my memory (more than 2gb of that). more over I CAN INSTALL google chrome and work at blinding speeds. …it does not swap… very USB STICK friendly…I burn my cd/dvd flawlessly. I play my mpg without any driver download…great great …
only drawback is that it does not rpm…but fitted
SUSE may be jazzy…may somebody in NOVELL really need to have a second look at the live offering…I wish the live did not strain my cd drive, wish it had MP3 support straight on…wish it had google chrome support straight on…wish it could run only off my ram…wish somebody had done more testing …

On 02/06/2011 03:36 PM, rathnadhar wrote:
>
> …wish somebody had done more testing …

i guess you know (but, maybe you do not) that there is no huge billion
dollar, well manicured campus in Washington State or Silicon Valley,
funded by box set sales of openSUSE which is dedicated to testing
software!

so, in the world of free and open source software, provided at
nocost* by communities such as the openSUSE community, you are one
of those “someones” who didn’t do enough testing…

how many milestone and release candidates for 11.3 did YOU test, on
YOUR hardware and provide meaningful feedback to the developer via
IRC, mail lists or bugzilla so that all the kinks you report disappear?

or, how many of the milestone versions of 11.4
<http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en> have you tested?

or, maybe you contribute in another way? (bitching here in a forum of
users helping users is not a really good way to contribute to the
progress we all want…ymmv.)


DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11

oh…

I have logged bugs against OpenSuse…please check that… they are under active consideration…

I will log against the live too…

Installed KDE and LD…X versions…there are issues. …now that what surprised me is that …with OpenSuse 11.4 is 31 days to go…there are still major issues with 11.3. I am a great fan of OpenSuse, as I told earlier I have been installig since the version 9.0- days…but the live…is a disappointment…I had promised my friend that I will give a great linux to experiment in USB…that is why I was more peeved…

For now, I will go with RIP…

On 02/07/2011 04:06 PM, rathnadhar wrote:
>
> …with OpenSuse 11.4 is 31 days to go…there are
> still major issues with 11.3

i can’t agree with you more–it IS disheartening to me also that the
openSUSE community allowed the distribution timing be compressed to
the point that there just is not enough workers to BOTH support the
relentless march to the next version AND fix the existing versions…

it has been that way since not long after Novell bought the German
group and changed their focus from long term “Good German Engineering”
to “Turn a profit, every quarter, no matter what”…

as we can see that strategy didn’t work so good (if you just look at
the openSUSE product…apparently the commercial product is still
competitive in the marketplace, even with being sold off…)


DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11