openSUSE 11.1 is almost out of the door and we (coolo, aj, zonker and
myself) had some discussion about the release date for openSUSE 11.2.
First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months
release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and
probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well -
both wouldn’t make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we’re now
thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most
current OpenOffice and KDE in thhis would even have one additional
upside. It probably would be just in front of our openSUSE
conference. So the conference could be used for very a focused
openSUSE 11.3 planning.
But it has its downside as well. Finalization of the release would
happen during the summer holiday season. To address this we we added
one Beta to stretch the development time a bit.
Events to consider
March 3-8 CeBIT
March 8-13 BrainShare
June 24-27 LinuxTag
June 3-11 Akademy/Guadec
Sept openSUSE conference (mid of sept)
Sept Plumbers conference (around Sept 20-25)
Let us know what you’re thinking about this.
Best
M
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Michael Löffler, Product Management
That mailing list link is where to respond to be effective-- not here;)
Looks like you testers can look for the real openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 on the Factory repos on 2009-02-05.
I do agree that KDE 4.3 should be default in 11.2, but openoffice I could care less about, since it seems that nothing major has been planned for that (I might be wrong on that, been a bit since I checked their status plan) BUT Koffice should be done and stable by then, meaning KDE users might not even care about openoffice, but then again will Koffice 2.0 be ready for everyday use or like Amarok 2, great, but needs 2-3 things to make it usable for everyday stuff. (note that I’m talking KDE4 stuff as thats what I use, feel free to bring up gnome issues) Of course the big issue here is what other features are they planning for 11.2, once we see that list that would be the best way to determine when to launch. I do agree with 4.3 though because we are aiding to the development of 4.3, instead of just backport features for the unstable version. Which I’m sure the KDE guys would love.
I think that development team should fix all bugs first, release it, and only then thin about putting something new inside.
New stuff over bugs, create bugs on steroids.
Maybe to schedule 11.2 at december next year. More you run, more cool and unstable it gets.
Yes, but if we don’t update the software then we are fixing bugs for ourselves and just submitting them to be included with future updates of the program, why not get all the nice new features of the new kernel, KDE (4.3 in this case) and Xorg while being able to fix bugs that these programs have and gaining the better feature set they have.
I really, really confused here. I updated to 11.1 on the 20th. On the 23rd I used Yast to update a couple of files as part of an effort to troubleshoot a problem with my wireless. Yast seemed to want to resolve an awfully large (HUGE actually) number of dependency problems etc., but I figured OK, maybe Yast knows something I don’t. The package update took forever, but everything worked, and my problem was solved, so I didn’t give it another thought until…
Today (24th) I had to boot into windows briefly. When I rebooted I happened to notice that Grub listed my default OS as “openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64)”.
So I checked My Computer and it says :
OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64
Current user: (my_username)@(this_PC)
System: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64)
KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) “release 4.9”.
Can anyone tell me what’s going on? The system seems fine, and I don’t see anything malfunctioning or anything like that. I’m just quite surprised by this discovery.
Just these few days after releasing 11.1 seems to have more problem posts than 11.0 in a month. That is sad. Suse is (was) a synonime for “the most polished”. Dont know what got into dev team now?
But I think there is also another explanation… Pressure!!!
If 11.2 comes with the same issues as 11.1, a lot of people will move to another distro. OppenSuSE has always been so polished. I hope the level of pressure slows down a little bit so we have a decent distribution next year.
LuisC-SM wrote:
> beli0135;1916657 Wrote:
>> Just these few days after releasing 11.1 seems to have more problem
>> posts than 11.0 in a month. That is sad. Suse is (was) a synonime for
>> “the most polished”. Dont know what got into dev team now?
>
> I completely agree with you!
>
> But I think there is also another explanation… Pressure!!!
>
> If 11.2 comes with the same issues as 11.1, a lot of people will move
> to another distro. OppenSuSE has always been so polished. I hope the
> level of pressure slows down a little bit so we have a decent
> distribution next year.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Luis
>
>
I disagree. I believe the number of issues on 11.1 is on par with 11.0
and 10.3. Only version with a noticeable difference was 10.1 or 10.2, I
forget which one had the ZMD issue.
Just to remember you guys that major distros has already established it’s status to the world. When you talk about distro - thoughts flash in you mind
Suse: Polished
Fedora: Bleeding edge, blood dropping on the floor
Ubuntu: Linux for Grandmothers
Slack: strictly for masochists
Mandriva: usable
etc etc
If every flavor stick to it’s strength, that would be swell. Suse should stick to the “polished”, not to the fedora’s bleeding edge.
I happened to have started trying out Opensuse because I read it was polished and was really good. I liked that Opensuse has more update softwares instead of sticking to old versions but given a new face.
Its a matter of opinions anyway. I find Opensuse more better supported than Ubuntu in some ways and without a few problems that annoyed me(Forgot already after stopped using Ubuntu).
With enough clicks on the next button in the installation of Opensuse, its as easy to install it as it is with Ubuntu. You don’t even need to look, just click and pray that it works and even all our grandmothers can use it. =)
It makes sense to wait for the new versions of kde, etc., but to stretch it out, I would prefer a longer beta period to allow for a larger user base and time to fix the bugs and get all the repos online (I find it strange that ati repo is not up yet, given amd’s support for suse). This way the final release is as bug-free as possible.
I agree that 11.1 is disappointing. I had all kinds of problems getting my ati display going and if I was a new novice user would have given up on suse, especially when ubuntu will probably run fine and you know the previous release of suse would have worked.
After a long time, I used suse 9.0. Later on I moved to many other operating systems. The best I liked was Kubuntu. I like the KDE for some reason. May be I felt luxurious in that DE. Well, This version(OpenSuse 11.1) really made me happy.
I changed again to Linux mint 5.0 which is not that good compared to OpenSuse 11.1. I did this due to some annoying bugs. Yes, the bug. is the task bar thing. It just falls apart when you try to add or remove things. It just drives you nuts. I had to create new user and transfer all the things in to that. It is tough with mails.
I came looking in to this forum thinking that in the 11.2 version,those bugs , I mean some of the very serious bugs will be fixed. I hate ubuntu for its theme (So I don’t use it), or else it is really good.
I am writing it here, so that the development team could do something about it. Everything else, yes is okay. Kde is the one who should be thinking more.
Thank to you guys for making things work so well.
Planning to see a stable release from you guys. You could release it as stable version 1 or 2. Please give the news in the websites, like distrowatch, if you do.
Do you know if they really take a few wishes and include them in every version? If yes I will post some, though most I have are related to KDE or other specific apps, not necessarily opensuse itself. Those will be sent on KDE’s site and every app’s site.
There is one I particularly would like, listed on that list. Sound in KDE for easy and quick 5.1 support. This was a pain in 10.3 and I forgot how to make it work (I don’t even know if my alsa config files are compatible with 11.1’s newer alsa version). I still use 10.3 cuz I don’t want to waste hours trying to make it work in 11.1 (and cuz compiz-fusion was not working due to package versions, but I gotta try final release on that).
Well, it seems like your are the admin and most probabily you are right, I’ve not count the number of issues in 11.1. One good thing is that these forums were merged during v11 release, but really… Im afraid I’m so lazzy to count on the new issues, but certainly I could start counting on 11 and 10.3 issues and most probababily I’d finish in 2-3 hours.
One more thing… if the number of issues is less or at least the same as in 11 or 10.3… that means that this community has not grown (at least in number) and even when I don’t have this information, I believe that from v11 to 11.1 there are at least 3 to 5 thousand new users (maybe much more)… so maybe your calculation is “issue per capita” ???. Only this way I could agree.
They try to;) However it is totally dependent on the maturity of the app whether it makes a release or not, That is not to say that it may not be on the KDE4 ustable repro & the Devs are working on it Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/UNSTABLE:
Plus, when the app is mature, it will be made available in the repos.
And, it will be picked up in the next release,
It well may be best to submit your request to the KDE Forum.