openSUSE 11.2 GNOME (live CD install)

Hi,

Just sharing my thoughts after installing openSUSE 11.2 GNOME on one of my laptops.

I’ve been using openSUSE on one of my laptops for quite a while now, but I had Ubuntu on my old laptop (which I just use for printing and I SSH to it).

I just installed 11.2 on it as I wanted to test out 11.2 but couldn’t wait until Christmas when I’ll have time to install it on my main laptop, which is using 11.1 KDE 4.3.

The installation process went flawlessly, well almost (the computer failed to reboot after the installation, and I had to turn it off with the power button), which felt like a minor detail compared with the problems I’ve had in the past installing any OS.

As it was replacing Ubuntu, I thought maybe I’ll try GNOME. I quickly noticed how much more professional looking openSUSE’s GNOME is compared to Ubuntu; I may even consider changing my main DE to GNOME for my other laptop.

One thing’s for certain, I’m never going to use Ubuntu on here again.

Regards,
Barry.

I’m a big KDE fan, but I decided to install Gnome on my Sandbox PC (a 9-year old 32-bit athlon-1100 w/1GB RAM and a nVidia GeForce FX5200 graphic card). I already had openSUSE-11.2 w/KDE4 on that PC, so I put Gnome in its own partition (with its own /home). This was so I could compare the two and learn a bit about Gnome.

Of course my views are HEAVILY bias’d with my being an KDE4 fan,… but still, I was both surprised and impressed by openSUSE-11.2’s Gnome implementation. I had last installed Gnome on openSUSE many years ago, although I did install Gnome from Fedora-10 a year ago (also on this same sandbox PC).

IMHO in terms of basic “look”, the openSUSE-11.2’s gnome implementation is WAY BETTER than what I recall from that Fedora gnome implementation. The openSUSE-11.2 gnome desktop is really nice. I concede my first impression was that gnome was barren and rather bland, but after using it for about 30 minutes, my view completely changed and I instead considered (and still consider) Gnome to be a very nice clear simplicity. Its really VERY nice.

On the negative side, the integration of sound on Gnome, with my PC’s hardware, and from my simple user’s initial impression, is really really BAD in comparison to KDE4 on the same PC. Its just plain bad. When I first started Gnome, the speaker was muted. When I unmuted it I got a horribly loud squeak.

I then installed smplayer, xine and vlc. They all played with HORRIBLE static. In each case I had to go into their properties and for smplayer change from “alsa” to "alsa(0.0-VIA-8233A), for xine change from “alsa” to “oss”, and for vlc change also to “oss”. I still don’t have Totem playing without this ugly static.

In KDE4, this “just works”. None of this changing output audio mode to get rid of static.

There is a ‘sound preferences’ speaker in the lower right corner of the Gnome desktop but no mixer like Kmix that I have in KDE4. I don’t like this Gnome limitation. Again, not so good in comparison.

Also, I found the Software Management under Gnome, in comparison to KDE4, missing many features in comparison to KDE4. I was surprised to see so many differences. Frankly, I don’t like the limitation(s) in Gnome’s YaST software management implementation and I miss the KDE4 YaST software management features.

Another negative aspect I encountered with Gnome was in configuring the proprietary nVidia graphic driver. After installing the nVidia .run file “the hardway”, I ran “nvidia-xconfig” to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. After a reboot Gnome just hung at a black screen and mouse arrow, for over a minute. In the end I just pressed < ctrl > < alt > < f2 >, logged on to a terminal and typed (with root permissions) “shutdown -r now” to reboot from there. Back at run level 3, I deleted the xorg.conf, and ran “sax2 -r -m 0=vesa”, which worked. While puzzling if the sax2 would work, I also noted that the gnome desktop gives less feedback (than KDE) when booting, which I do not like in Gnome. I prefer the warm fuzzing feeling I get with the KDE boot indications.

I note special desktop effects work well, although I am still puzzling how to activate the various effects, as the same key sequences that I use in KDE4 don’t work in Gnome (clearly Gnome’s are different).

Possibly the biggest irritation with Gnome for me, is the Gnome desktop requires I double click on icons. I can’t over state how much that irritates me. I don’t think I’ll get used to it, and if I can’t figure out how to reconfigure this to 1 click, then it does not bode well for my continued testing of this Gnome install.

Still, despite the negative aspects that I posted, the FONTS in Gnome are great. The style of the windows is very good. I significantly prefer this default Gnome setup over my current KDE setup in terms of a basic look, although KDE4 has a degree of configurability that I can not (yet) find in Gnome. I may just try to configure my KDE4 desktop’s to look like Gnome.

… Its been interesting.

I’ve been told others did NOT experience what I did wrt the Sound in Gnome, and I suspect others do not have my aversion to the need to double click. Hence given that, I would not hesitate to recommend Gnome.

As noted, the default clean/simple to its desktop is something that I really like.

On the negative side, the integration of sound on Gnome, with my PC’s hardware, and from my simple user’s initial impression, is really really BAD in comparison to KDE4 on the same PC. Its just plain bad. When I first started Gnome, the speaker was muted. When I unmuted it I got a horribly loud squeak.

I then installed smplayer, xine and vlc. They all played with HORRIBLE static. In each case I had to go into their properties and for smplayer change from “alsa” to "alsa(0.0-VIA-8233A), for xine change from “alsa” to “oss”, and for vlc change also to “oss”. I still don’t have Totem playing without this ugly static.

This I have to agree on. As a current workaround for the sound, I have installed OSS4.2 from source, and avoid using applications with hard pulseaudio dependencies. It’s an ugly workaround, but it works for me at the moment.

Otherwise I am very happy with the SUSE GNOME interface and stability.

Hi,

I totally agree with this, I was disappointed when I tried the YaST Software Management; rather than try to work it out, I have been using Zypper from the command line.

This can be changed in GNOME, I was irritated by it and changed it in previous GNOME installs for other distros, but; unfortunately I can’t remember how to do it.

Regards,
Barry.

I had to chuckle - I just recently got through figuring out how to FORCE a double-click on icons in Konqueror running on a Gnome desktop. I can’t stand a generic single click, since it makes it difficult (in my mind) to then SELECT something. I like my single click activation to be in an icon tray/panel.

:slight_smile:

Thats the VERY first thing my wife does on KDE in Linux. She hates the single click of KDE. Me? The double click drives me up the wall.

So How do I do it on Gnome? :slight_smile:

Hi,

Just read online that there is an option to use single click in Nautilus preferences menu, I’ll try it when I get home.

Regards,
Barry.

Hi,

I changed GNOME to use single click, instead of double click, this evening. For anyone that wants to know:

In Nautilus ‘Edit’->‘Preferences’->‘Behaviour’->‘Single click to open files’

Regards,
Barry.

Ahh … < major sigh of relief > … thanks ! That works well ! Suddenly gnome feels so much better. :slight_smile:

I dunno, I personally like Gnome better in Ubuntu or Fedora then in openSUSE.
As far as KDE 4, its hard to say who does it best as I like it in Mandriva as well as openSUSE.
I might be giving Mepis KDE4 a spin here too.

I believe there are other subjective factors than just the desktop presentation at work here.

I have the opposite view of you. I dislike Ubuntu’s gnome. I dislike Fedora’s gnome. I dislike Mandriva’s KDE (compared to openSUSE’s).

My recommendation to everyone is to simply try openSUSE’s implementation, and then go with what works best.

Well if you base it on terms of looks then yes for most Ubuntu looks like junk due to its brown themes.
But I have to say Fedora looks wonderful with gnome, cant argue much against it.
However in terms of how much I can do with Gnome in openSUSE is why I dont like it, Gnome in openSUSE is very watered down and lacks many things I like in other distros.
Like quick lounge applet, or nautilus wallpaper.

Thankyou. Specifics are necessary!!

Its important IMHO that one gives specifics as to why they prefer one Gnome (or one KDE) implementation over another.

Note this is an openSUSE forum, and not a Ubuntu nor is it a Fedora forum. One is welcome to praise those (Ubuntu and Fedora) distributions on those forums, but on this forum we are looking to help openSUSE users, and we are looking to help openSUSE. Hence generalities about other distributions are really not helpful.

Thus when ever I read statements like " … like Gnome better in Ubuntu or Fedora then in openSUSE … " I will immediately reply with the opposite, in part to show that such comments are not helpful. ( … and in part because it IS my opinion).

One really needs to apply specifics as to WHY another desktop may be considered more likeable. If one wishes to ONLY stick with “subjective feel”, then I will reply with a contrary “subjective feel” post, and no one is any better off.