Which one do u think is prettier?
SuSE, I can’t get enough of the green
I don’t like ubuntu’s orange-brown, vista is waaaaay to over-glossed and shiny (not to mention to huge amounts of blur)
OSX reminds me of a non-custimizable version of gnome, I do use gnome, but I have to customize it
Even though I love Aqua, for some reason the new openSUSE 11 art work is awesome
Although I don’t have a Mac/OSX I still think the graphics are awesome when I see others ’ working’ their system and it seems a tad more finished. With openSUSE 11 and compiz in it’s full glory it’s a very thin line between them…
Offtopic, but I think if Android (and other Linux based systems) can handle the phone like Apple does with the iPhone, Windows is a goner in the phone market.
green, green, and more green. What more must I say?
I do love all the Suse green too. And KDE4 is nice.
I really never get into making a computer run with all the fancy stuff. I have most the effects shut off with any computer I own, since I care more about speed then making it look a tiny bit prettier.
OSX may be pretty, but it annoys me when I have to do stuff the Apple way, and if you want to do it differently it can really **** you off to get it done
when u work with Apple u should think different
OS X for one big reason - almost every program looks like it was designed to be compliant with the specs - when you look at the whole you have a feeling a unity, programs like Firefox look like they are part of the OS, not a seperate program.
In Linux every other programs looks like “wait, where are the UI design guidelines? Why is this button here? Why does the GUI look like it was just parsed together?”
And all that without getting to the GTK-QT-GNOME-KDE-OtherToolKit mess or running programs from another DE on top of another.
I agree with u, thats the disadvantage of having so many desktop environments I guess
I guess I am now running Compiz Fusion.
it is shockingly simple with a few ticks and choices under 11.0. Even on my older laptop I find running Compiz and KDE4 is no slower then I had it with KDE3 under 10.3.
It may be more of a fix to video support on my laptop under 11.0, but still, it can easily run with very little resources, so I do have the fancier desktop running.
I really don’t mind OSX, but I am not much for a fancy desktop
OS/X is prettier because Apple pays a lot of attention to making the style uniform. It’s ironic that a computer company that encourages you to think different has to impose draconian control over the style.
However Linux desktops are much more usable, at least for me. They don’t try to dumb down the applications and remove all choice. And I hate the one button mouse and the click to focus, so much wasted mouse motion. I also have to say that KDE4 is getting very beautiful too.
So even though OS/X is slightly prettier, KDE is much more useful to me. If OS/X is the glamour queen, then KDE is the fetching girl who turns heads and who can also do much more than look pretty.
Very well put Ken, especially your irony point, as I find the disparity between the Apple marketing and products to be full of irony.
You said almost exactly what I was going to. I’d caveat that OS/X is still very useful, but I find the combination of user control and function to be more important than unified look and beauty, and KDE is wildly superior on user control, and edges out IMHO OS/X on the functionality. And, of course,there are some things OS/X has that would trump linux if that was most important to you (I’m thinking of say someone who does a lot of graphic design and art or video).
so far openSUSE 11 and OS X r equal, lets see what happens when everyone votes
somebody likes the human theme? :eek:
On the other hand, OS X currently destroys Linux in usability.
Want to install a program? Drag it to the desktop / drawer. Bang, installed.
Want to remove it? Drag it in the trash, program gone. Bye Bye.
No need to add repositories, no need to ponder if this program has the libraries you need. OpenGL applications work out of the box without any issues - no tweaking with random nVidia/ATI display drivers.
USB devices, Firewire devices etc. plug in and play - no problems. I had a Digital TV USB dongle from Pinnacle that I spent a few hours in Linux getting to work (and I’m pretty good at what I do) - incidentally this USB dongle is unsupported on the Mac - however I just plugged it in and started using it via EyeTV. No drivers, no installation, just works.
Comparing the end user experience currently on the two platforms is like night and day - Linux is developing leaps and bounds but until you have a system where the end user can simple take out the Linux DVD, install it and use the machine you’re nowhere close to Apples offerings.
Currently Linux definitely targets (and requires) a different mindset than OS X - some enjoy it, others don’t. I have to work for a living so I tend to pick the tool that suits the job best. If Linux gets the job done then I choose it - If Apple gets the job done, munching it is.
Ach, more of a rant then I wanted it to be and way too negative. Take it with a grain of salt.
I started using Linux because I couldn’t afford a Mac and it looked shiny and new!
Years later when I tried a Mac (OS X), I wanted my KDE on Linux back.
i think oS11 is in kde4 with the glassified plasma theme.
I’ll take a much larger software library in Linux over the ability to drop a program in a folder. Many Linux apps can live in a folder. Extra and run, but in the end, it can be a bit sloppy. The advantage of a traditional software install in Linux, is that several programs can share libraries and components.
And frankly, opening up “Install Software” in openSUSE and then typing in what you want is amazingly simple. One could contend it is much easier to find software. You don’t need to worry about where it is located. You don’t need to hunt it down to delete it. You see a clear advantage, and I see both sides having their merits. Linux especially has an advantage for new users. A new user won’t necessarily know the names for applications, or where to find them. Type in recipe in Yast, and it will find recipe software.
“No need to add repositories, no need to ponder if this program has the libraries you need. OpenGL applications work out of the box without any issues - no tweaking with random nVidia/ATI display drivers.”
I’ve done six openSUSE installs so far, and in each case the video card was set up with a one-click installer. I wouldn’t consider that tweaking. Macs only run certain proprietary hardware. Any OEM PC will have the right drivers working out of the box. You can purchase an OEM Linux PC with the hardware working out of the box as well. I have seen Mac users struggle with drivers when they upgrade hardware. You need to compare apples to apples (forgive the pun).
Again, you say it is a pain to add a repository (you only have to do it once with a new install to add a few, and not everyone needs to add repositories) except on a Mac, everytime you want software you have to hunt it down in a different location. Over the course of time, having set repostitories is a big advantage.
And you shouldn’t be worrying about libraries in openSUSE. Zypper handles all that. I’ve seen people install X windows, and *nix based apps in Mac-land as well. Except they don’t have a nice package management tool. Installing OSS software on a Mac means worrying about libraries and conflicts, not to mention architecture. Rosetta does wonders for performance.
“USB devices, Firewire devices etc. plug in and play - no problems. I had a Digital TV USB dongle from Pinnacle that I spent a few hours in Linux getting to work (and I’m pretty good at what I do) - incidentally this USB dongle is unsupported on the Mac - however I just plugged it in and started using it via EyeTV. No drivers, no installation, just works.”
Most hardware I try in Linux just works these days as well. People say Windows is best for hardware, but I’ve fought more with device drivers on Windows than any OS I’ve ever worked with. Macs have a limited range of supported hardware. Macs have the worst hardware support of the 3 OS’es. Hardware support is not a Mac advantage.
“Comparing the end user experience currently on the two platforms is like night and day - Linux is developing leaps and bounds but until you have a system where the end user can simple take out the Linux DVD, install it and use the machine you’re nowhere close to Apples offerings.”
I wasn’t aware I could just install OS X on any hardware and just use it. Oh wait, you can’t. I can use Linux on everything from a cell phone, to a coffee maker, to a PDA, to 386, to the vast majority of the super computers in the world. Let me know when OS X installs on 1% of the hardware that Linux does.
“Currently Linux definitely targets (and requires) a different mindset than OS X - some enjoy it, others don’t. I have to work for a living so I tend to pick the tool that suits the job best. If Linux gets the job done then I choose it - If Apple gets the job done, munching it is.”
I disagree. Linux and Apple both cater to people looking for an alternative to Windows. Their approach is different in that Apple doesn’t care about idealogy so much as marketing. Linux could care less about marketing, and focues on idealogy. The big advantage is that Linux provides a greater range of choice. KDE can look and operate just like OS X if I want it to, but OS X can’t look like my KDE desktop. Linux gives me a much larger range of software to choose from, so that the UI is exactly what I want. Quite frankly, I’d contend that is the best UI of all.
I can’t believe openSUSE is winning, I really thought most people would have said OS X cause most people, in fact everyone I know loves its looks.
I think that opensuse 11 with kde 4.1 does look better than OS X, but with kde 3.5 or gnome it doesn’t, no offense