Hello I am new… Been using 0.S for almost a week now…been messing with OS 12.3 for a couple days… I do have an issue with APPER
when Opening APPER putting in the ROOT PASS and going to search and putting
in for instance
" thunder" for thunderbird… hit SEARCH it says nothing found… Oh really?
I tried another app no results
Went to terminal ZYPPER SEARCH thunder <<Enter>>
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla dev
Mozilla this and that
I think TB was at the bottom ( it might of not been ) I think it was all
Firefox stuff…
hello ecky… I have and all that comes up is a search box and its like you have to know the name of the app before you can search for it… I came from Ubuntu where you clicked a category and then you got a list of all apps under that category. Thanks Christopher
There is some category view in yast software management if you click on
the view (in yast’s qt interface at the top left) were you can change to
package groups or rpm groups view.
Maybe it helps a bit.
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PC: oS 12.3 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.10.0 | GTX 650 Ti
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.3 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.10.0 | HD 3000
HannsBook: oS 12.3 x86_64 | SU4100@1.3GHz | 2GB | KDE 4.10.0 | GMA4500
You don’t have to know the program name in Yast. Just depends on how much filtering you set. You can even find single files on their names.
Opening the softwaremanager and search for “thunder” returns the packages Mozilla-Thunderbird, amongst others. Click, Accept, done.
As martin said, if you use the View button in Software Management and change it from Search to Package Groups you get a list of categories
Thunderbird would logically be in the Network category
But as you know the name of the program you want I don’t see the issue with just entering ‘thunderbird’ into the search box, but at least now you know there are other ways for future reference
Just for interest, don’t know about these days but when I was last here on the forums apper was proving unpopular, so much so that people were removing it
I myself don’t have apper installed and as long as OS still has Yast’s excellent Software Management tool I can’t foresee a time when I will, I don’t often use a gui for installing/updating but when I do Yast’s tool has always worked perfectly well for me
I’m sure you’ll find it does the job well once you get used to it
> Just for interest, don’t know about these days but when I was last here
> on the forums apper was proving unpopular, so much so that people were
> removing it
>
> I myself don’t have apper installed and as long as OS still has Yast’s
> excellent Software Management tool
It’s working very good here for installing updates.
At the time when i didn’t use apper i used “zypper up” to update.
I find that much easyer than yast.
The udate module from yast doesn’t update from added repositories, and in
the software module it takes too many clicks to get it done.
In all fairness Apper is OK. The great thing about Opensuse & Linux in general is that we have choice. My Choice is to remove Apper, use Yast for Hardware &Software management. When it come to updates a habit I learned from another distro(PCLOS) was to run daily checks for them myself using Yast.
Finally, for anyone who wants to know in my PCLOS days I’d check using Synaptic on that distro. At the time I was using it they had no update notifier.
So I carried that daily checking habit with me to Opensuse.
As already mentioned, the software search is case sensitive. For a search, you don’t need the root password (not on 12.2 anyway), but you do to install. I entered just “Thu” and the many available Thunderbird versions appeared, showing I had the latest installed. Apper also has an easy to read History.
As others have indicated, Apper as a notifier/updater is really “fit for purpose”, convenient and gets the job done, for me that’s been the case on 12.2 and 12.3 so far. I still use YaST, zypper, and rpm, for searching and installing new packages, or for less frequent investigations requiring details of dependencies, files, and change logs. Those are really system administration tools.
If the KDE/Gnome desktop developers want a software centre approach for their users, they will either have to improve Apper/PackageKit for that, or find an alternative.
I don’t remove. I just set it to not automatically start.
Recently, I went back to using Apper (by setting it to auto-start). It was not long before I turned it off again.
The reason: I logged out, then logged back in. Apper came up and told me there were updates. I installed them. Then it told me to logout and login. Sigh, I had just done that.
If I use Yast online update, I can time it to check just before I logout, instead of just after I login.
Which Apper setting did you use (hourly, weekly, daily, etc)?
The reason: I logged out, then logged back in. Apper came up and told me there were updates. I installed them. Then it told me to logout and login. Sigh, I had just done that.
Was that a KDE notification because one of the updates required you to logout and login again? Easy enough to clear, I would have thought. No drama then.
A previous set of updates had advised me to logout and login. I put off doing that for two or three days. And then, having logged out and logged back in, I was told to do it again.
When using Yast online updates, I would typically do the update at a time when it was convenient to logout and login again (or even to reboot). And, sure, I could do that with Apper, too. I could turn of the auto-start of Apper, and run in manually just before logout. Or I could ignore the notifier until just before logout. But in that case, I prefer to do it all with Yast (and zypper).
Probably “Daily”. I have two systems with Apper (different partitions), and typically will reboot at least once a day and more if I switch. Sometimes a couple of days lapses when one is not booted, and updates accumulate. Even so, the notifier shows up pretty quickly after start-up.
I don’t recall having a hiccup like yours with the logout/in notification (or with a restart system notification). Honestly, given the hundreds of updates processed by Apper here, the logouts and restarts required make up such a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. That’s mostly on 12.2, but on 12.3 there has been several updates to Apper/PackageKit early on and some probably notified a logout/in. The only hiccup I vaguely recall was a prematurely disappearing logout/in icon, which I may have clicked on by mistake before logout.
I have to re-install my 12.3 partition as the ext4 journal has been corrupted and I don’t think its a recoverable situation (ThinkPad’s hdd might be on the way out after 3 years+ service). Re-installing will give me the opportunity to try and reproduce your issue, since there are so few times when logout/in is required.
I could turn of the auto-start of Apper, and run in manually just before logout. Or I could ignore the notifier until just before logout. But in that case, I prefer to do it all with Yast (and zypper).
Yes, once you start “scheduling” updates, it rather defeats the object of notification and a “get it it done now” way of working.
