novell shop recommends ie browser

Dear Felicia N

How can you recommend I use I.E Browser??
I am totally against using any Windows products.
I have been using Suse for the last 4-5 years, and you develop a
shopping website for opensource products, but you want me to use IE. You must be crazy. I think I must publish your reply on the opensuse forums.

Thanks

H

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 23:09 -0500, Novell Customer Service wrote:
> Dear H
>
> Thank you for contacting the shopNovell.
>
> Please disable your Mozilla and Firefox before attempt to complete the
> order. We recommend IE Browser instead.:
>
> please try to place a new order.
>
> NOVELL
>
> - Once you have the items you wish to purchase in the shopping cart
> click the “Check Out” button.
>
> We recommend when placing an order that you enter your billing
> information as it appears on your credit card billing statement. If your
> middle initial appears on your credit card, please enter it after your
> first name in the “first name” field (without any punctuation). Also, if
> you are ordering from outside of the US make sure that you select
> “Non-US” in the “State/Province” selection field.
>
> If you receive an error message, please reply with the error number as
> well as your pending order number which can be found on the shopping
> cart page.
>
> If you have any further questions or concerns, please reply to this
> e-mail.
>
> Sincerely,
> Felicia N.
> Customer Service
> Digital River for shopNovell
> http://shop.novell.com/uk/cs
> NOVELL: Support
> +353 61 725025
>

HP lost a laptop sale yesterday for the same reason.
It wouldn’t let me continue past a certain point.

How odd :confused:

I’m simply baffled at how an outfit that sells products based on Linux can recommend IE, don’t they realise it only runs natively in Windows :rolleyes:

> I’m simply baffled at how an outfit that sells products based on Linux
> can recommend IE, don’t they realise it only runs natively in Windows
> :rolleyes:

Well in HP’s case they didn’t actually come out and say they didn’t
support Firefox…the site just refused to work once I went to
buy the thing. <shrug> Anyway I fired up my VM with WIndows and opened
IE, but…I decided to shop some more AND…here’s the rub, found a better
deal at Dell…soooooo…bought a Dell.

While I agree that forcing the user to IE is not an optimal solution by any means (especially when selling open-source software), it could be that the solution for Novell’s e-shopping website was designed by a third party that didn’t make it Firefox compatible.

May be that the shop is outsourced to a company that handles online transactions. Whatever the case, big faux pas.

Here are the latest Firefox stats. Looks like they’ll break 205 next month. That’s a lot of potentially lost customers.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:26:04 +0000, andrewd18 wrote:

> husrah;1831270 Wrote:
>> How can you recommend I use I.E Browser??
> While I agree that forcing the user to IE is not an optimal solution by
> any means (especially when selling open-source software), it could be
> that the solution for Novell’s e-shopping website was designed by a
> third party that didn’t make it Firefox compatible.

Indeed. Digital River is who runs the store for Novell (see the signature
of the person sending the reply).

Jim

On 2008-07-02, andrewd18 <andrewd18@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

> husrah;1831270 Wrote:
>> How can you recommend I use I.E Browser??
> While I agree that forcing the user to IE is not an optimal solution by
> any means (especially when selling open-source software), it could be
> that the solution for Novell’s e-shopping website was designed by a
> third party that didn’t make it Firefox compatible.

It doesn’t need to be.
I has to be HTTP compatible. Period.


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but chip is warm too
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:55:23 GMT
GofBorg <GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>…soooooo…bought a Dell.

You have my deepest condolences . . . :wink:


Kevin Nathan (Arizona, USA)
Linux is not a destination, it’s a journey – enjoy the trip!

Linux 2.6.22.18-0.2-default
9:37pm up 3 days 0:14, 21 users, load average: 2.25, 1.86, 1.28

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:36:04 GMT
husrah <husrah@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>Dear Felicia N
>
>How can you recommend I use I.E Browser??
>I am totally against using any Windows products.
>I have been using Suse for the last 4-5 years, and you develop a
>shopping website for opensource products, but you want me to use IE.
>You must be crazy. I think I must publish your reply on the opensuse
>forums.
>

I wish this could be made mandatory:

http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

If IE was W3C compliant, there would be no need for this ‘Please use
this certain browser’ . . .


Kevin Nathan (Arizona, USA)
Linux is not a destination, it’s a journey – enjoy the trip!

Linux 2.6.22.18-0.2-default
9:39pm up 3 days 0:16, 21 users, load average: 2.59, 2.05, 1.40

hmm, both sad and disappointing!

Kind of like the parent with a cigarette in his/her mouth yelling at their kid for smoking ö_Ö.

…another slice of hypocrisy anyone?

> HP … bought a Dell.

let me suggest you write a kind and gentle email about web sites not
tested against all customer’s preferred browsers, and send a copy to
both…praising one, and not the other…


DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark

> Novell’s e-shopping website was designed by a
> third party that didn’t make it Firefox compatible.

and, shouldn’t the ability to work with browsers other than IE have been
a contractual part of Novell’s requirement for services rendered?


DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark

Sorry I should have been clearer, I was refering to Novell. I’m simply baffled at Novell getting themselves into the situation where you can’t order anything from their shop using openSUSE.

>
> You have my deepest condolences . . . :wink:

LOL…Didn’t buy it for me so cost was king. :slight_smile:

so this means the QA Dept from novell uses IE right ? Thats just plain sorry

For what it’s worth:

Firefox has a tool that AFAIK makes the receiving end think that it’s another type browser – including IE7 Vista.

I used that all the time to view Fox News’ videos in 10.3; could not with plain ole Firefox; could with Firefox using Tools > User Agent Switcher > IE (whatever it was in 10.3).

(BTW, with 11.0 & the latest Firefox I don’t have that problem:) )

Edit: I think I ordered the boxed version of 11.0 using 11.0 rc1 or rc2 with Firefox.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:45:41 +0000, DenverD wrote:

> and, shouldn’t the ability to work with browsers other than IE have been
> a contractual part of Novell’s requirement for services rendered?

Probably is now, but Digital River has been the shopnovell provider for
many, many years - well before the acquisition of SuSE, and at a time
where the alternatives didn’t have the market share they have now. I
personally had discussions with people making those types of decisions
because I was one of the minority users using Mozilla and various parts
of the site just simply didn’t work for me as a result.

Jim

> I personally had discussions with people making those types of
> decisions

good for you, do it some more!
get them to MAKE Digital River make the site non-IE friendly, and never
again recommend using IE to solve their html coding (non-W3 compliant)
deficiencies…


DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:00:05 +0000, DenverD wrote:

>> I personally had discussions with people making those types of
>> decisions
>
> good for you, do it some more!
> get them to MAKE Digital River make the site non-IE friendly, and never
> again recommend using IE to solve their html coding (non-W3 compliant)
> deficiencies…

Easier said than done - all the training stuff is no longer handled by DR
but instead by Gilmore Global, and their site works in Firefox - so
that’s progress.

The best way to effect this type of change is for customers to complain
in volume. I can talk until I’m blue in the face, but if it’s coming
from customers, that has weight. So use the feedback links on the pages,
and when you get e-mails suggesting you use IE, reply that you’re a Linux
user and IE isn’t an option.

Jim