Not understanding how repos work.

bonedriven · August 4, 2014, 10:00pm

So wolfi explained to me in another thread about tumbleweed repos, but I don’t know why libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.

~> zypper lr -dEP
#  | Alias                            | Name                             | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                                                 | Service
---+----------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+---------+----------+--------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
 2 | LibreOffice:Factory              | LibreOffice:Factory              | Yes     | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Factory/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ |        
 5 | Science_BuildService             | Science_BuildService             | Yes     | Yes     |   98     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/science/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/              |        
 1 | Bumblebee-tumbleweed             | Bumblebee-tumbleweed             | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/Bumblebee/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/       |        
 3 | Packman                          | Packman                          | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/                                   |        
 6 | google-chrome                    | google-chrome                    | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64                                 |        
10 | openSUSE:Stable_OSS              | openSUSE:Stable_OSS              | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/                |        
11 | openSUSE:Stable_Updates          | openSUSE:Stable_Updates          | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/                               |        
12 | openSUSE:Stable_non-OSS          | openSUSE:Stable_non-OSS          | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/            |        
13 | openSUSE:Stable_non-OSS__Updates | openSUSE:Stable_non-OSS__Updates | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/                       |        
14 | openSUSE:Tumbleweed              | openSUSE:Tumbleweed              | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/            |        
 8 | home:ecsos                       | home:ecsos                       | Yes     | Yes     |  100     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ecsos/openSUSE_Tumble

In the meantime, do my repos look ok?

hendersj · August 4, 2014, 10:30pm

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:06:01 +0000, bonedriven wrote:

> libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do
> “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.

https://www.suse.com/documentation/sles11/book_sle_deployment/data/
sec_y2_sw_instsource.html

While that’s SLE, the same principles apply.

Priority is used to determine which repo a new package is installed from

but to change vendors, you have to tell it to do that - priority isn’t
used for that reason (because you could break dependencies by doing that,
among other things).

There are circumstances where automating that could cause an update
loop, for example, if a newer version of ‘a’ depends on an older version
of ‘b’. If a repo has a newer version of ‘b’ in that case, it might
downgrade ‘a’ to match (in order to meet dependency requirements), which
on the next update would upgrade ‘a’ and downgrade ‘b’, and so on.

Jim

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bonedriven · August 4, 2014, 10:43pm

hendersj:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:06:01 +0000, bonedriven wrote:

> libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do
> “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.

https://www.suse.com/documentation/sles11/book_sle_deployment/data/
sec_y2_sw_instsource.html

While that’s SLE, the same principles apply.

Priority is used to determine which repo a new package is installed from

but to change vendors, you have to tell it to do that - priority isn’t
used for that reason (because you could break dependencies by doing that,
among other things).

There are circumstances where automating that could cause an update
loop, for example, if a newer version of ‘a’ depends on an older version
of ‘b’. If a repo has a newer version of ‘b’ in that case, it might
downgrade ‘a’ to match (in order to meet dependency requirements), which
on the next update would upgrade ‘a’ and downgrade ‘b’, and so on.

Jim

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openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

Thank you. That makes perfect sense to me. I’m gonna uninstall and reinstall it.

bonedriven · August 4, 2014, 11:26pm

After “zypper dup”, I found that gparted does not work anymore, with error:

/usr/sbin/gpartedbin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libglibmm-2.4.so.1: undefined symbol: g_variant_parse_error_quark

I checked the libglibmm version and found 3:

v2.40.0-0.2.9 from opensuse:Tumbleweed (currently installed)
v2.38.0-0.6.1 from opensuse:stable_updates
v2.38.0-0.1.1 from opensuse:stable_OSS

What’s the difference between “stable_updates” and “stable_OSS”. Do I have conflicting repos?

hendersj · August 5, 2014, 12:01am

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:46:02 +0000, bonedriven wrote:

> Thank you. That makes perfect sense to me. I’m gonna uninstall and
> reinstall it.

You don’t need to do that - you just need to go into the software
installer in YaST and manually switch the repo for the package(s)
affected.

Jim

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robin_listas · August 5, 2014, 1:54am

On 2014-08-04 22:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:06:01 +0000, bonedriven wrote:
>
>> libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do
>> “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.

> Priority is used to determine which repo a new package is installed from
> - but to change vendors, you have to tell it to do that - priority isn’t

AFAIK, “zypper dup” does not respect vendor lock.

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Carlos E. R.

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hendersj · August 5, 2014, 3:10am

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 23:54:10 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2014-08-04 22:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:06:01 +0000, bonedriven wrote:
>>
>>> libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do
>>> “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.
>
>
>> Priority is used to determine which repo a new package is installed
>> from - but to change vendors, you have to tell it to do that - priority
>> isn’t
>
> AFAIK, “zypper dup” does not respect vendor lock.

That is correct, as I recall.

Jim

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hendersj · August 5, 2014, 3:11am

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 01:10:43 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 23:54:10 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2014-08-04 22:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:06:01 +0000, bonedriven wrote:
>>>
>>>> libreoffice doesn’t change vendor to factory automatically when I do
>>>> “zypper dup”, as I even set it at a higher priority.
>>
>>
>>> Priority is used to determine which repo a new package is installed
>>> from - but to change vendors, you have to tell it to do that -
>>> priority isn’t
>>
>> AFAIK, “zypper dup” does not respect vendor lock.
>
> That is correct, as I recall.

And apparently I missed that the OP was doing that rather than an ‘up’.

Jim

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bonedriven · August 9, 2014, 11:15am

Hi, can anyone answer this question?

Now everytime I do a “zypper dup” gparted will not work anymore and I have to change vendor for that package from the source stable_OSS.

Can I get rid of the repo “stable_updates”? “stable_OSS” covers what “stable updates” covers?

bonedriven · August 9, 2014, 11:38am

Sorry, I meant I have to use the version from “stable_update”.

robin_listas · August 9, 2014, 3:23pm

On 2014-08-09 11:16, bonedriven wrote:

>> 1) v2.40.0-0.2.9 from opensuse:Tumbleweed (currently installed)
>> 2) v2.38.0-0.6.1 from opensuse:stable_updates
>> 3) v2.38.0-0.1.1 from opensuse:stable_OSS
>>
>> What’s the difference between “stable_updates” and “stable_OSS”. Do I
>> have conflicting repos?
>
> Hi, can anyone answer this question?

“Stable oss” is a link, at the moment, to 13.1, and “stable updates”
should be a link to the 13.1 official updates. You absolutely need those
repos while using Tumbleweed. And then, of course, you need the
tumbleweed repo.

That’s the way tumbleweed is designed to work.

> Can I get rid of the repo “stable_updates”? “stable_OSS” covers what
> “stable updates” covers?

No, and no.

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Carlos E. R.
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bonedriven · August 9, 2014, 7:19pm

Thank you.