no more successful booting after upgrading to 12.1

I successfully upgraded a PC a couple of days ago from some 11.x to 12.1 .
After fixing a few minor problems there I decided to do the same with my ASUS notebook.

My 1st problem was the “Error 22: No such partition” problem.
grub seems to enumerate the devices in a rather unexpected way,
and the configuration file did not get updated accordingly.
Well, I got my /boot/grub/menu.lst adapted manually
(what a luck, that grub supports file name completion!)
(the fix does not really satisfy me, as it’s not of a really enduring kind – I rather don’t know, how grub enumerates the devices attached)
and booting finally proceeded.

Well, depressing enough I don’t get that box booted to the end.
I tried booting both with systemd or with sysvinit.
The booting process got rather far, but then all of a sudden, I see “stopping” all over the place,
far quicker than I can watch – should I take a movie and play it in slow motion, so I can tell better?
(I would have tried that already, but I had to keep an urgent appointment, and I would be so glad to have a few constructive thoughts, until I will be able to start working on the case again.)
I would rather like to give the terminal output a control-S, but the terminal driver doesn’t care ;-(

The shut down ends with my notebook being powerless,
and it also refuses to get repowered for like 2 minutes.

Alright, I booted into the rescue system,
and I had a look at /var/log/boot.msg,
but to no success – the boot log had not got saved to the file yet.

I have no clue, what causes the boot process to stop and get the machine shut down.

I am looking forward to your lovely hints.

BR,
Jochen

Curious… there is never any data in my /var/log/boot.msg. Reading a bit more about that, it seems to be that systemd doesn’t store any data in /var/boot.msg.

In lieu of boot.msg, have a look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/warn. They will hopefully help you in tracking down your errors. Post some of the logs amidst code tags if you’d like additional help.

On 08/19/2012 06:06 PM, Jochen Hayek wrote:
> I successfully upgraded a PC a couple of days ago from some 11.x to 12.1

how can you say you successfully upgraded if you started with a working
system and ended with a non-working system?

what is the x in your 11.x?

i ask, because the supported and expected to be successful paths from
anything older than 11.4 (to 12.1) are as scarce as hens teeth!

here are the supported methods of upgrading…read them and see how many
say you can expect success from 11.3 or earlier

http://tinyurl.com/35p966c
http://tinyurl.com/6kvoflv
http://tinyurl.com/7l4m2td


dd http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat

Only idea I have is download the full 12.1 DVD and run the installation,
when the installer reaches the point where it asks you to install a new
system or upgrade the existing one choose the upgrade option.
If you have some luck it will repair your system well enough to be
bootable again.
If you have no DVD drive in that system attach an external usb DVD drive
or turn the DVD iso into a bootable USB stick.
Note: This only works with the DVD (or also netinstall ISO, though I
would not use that in this case) not with the live CDs.


PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10

I used the “Network” / “netinstall” DVD.
(The PC has an external USB DVD drive attached,
the ASUS notebook has an internal DVD drive.)

And I followed the “upgrade” path in both cases.

Actually I ran the 12.1 upgrade on the notebook twice,
on the 2nd run (less then 12 hours after the 1st run) it only replaced a few hundred packages.
But the 12.1 installation on the notebook still doesn’t boot,
that’s why I am here.

BR,
Jochen

On 08/19/2012 06:06 PM, Jochen Hayek wrote:

> I successfully upgraded a PC a couple of days ago from some 11.x to 12.1

dd@home.dk wrote:

> how can you say you successfully upgraded
> if you started with a working system and ended with a non-working system?

I described 2 different systems, pls see above!
The 1st seriously has been running “successfully” for “a couple of days”.

Regarding the former installation (of the 2nd system):
Yes, it was something earlier than 11.4.
And right now the opportunity is gone to catch up with the skipped releases.

BR,
Jochen

I “always” hit the ESC key during the openSUSE system start-up (for a lot of years - like from 1995),
that “never” caused a problem.
Now it looks, as if hitting the ESC key during 12.1 start-up too early makes it shut down.

This must have been the 1st time since experiencing my 12.1 “trouble”, that I did not hit the ESC key at all,
and (big, big suprise) the system started up entirely and no spontaneous shutting down.

This is somehow embarrassing, and it takes me some courage to admit it here.
I am sorry, I stole your time.

A big “thank you!” for dedicating your time!

BR,
Jochen

Am 20.08.2012 09:46, schrieb Jochen Hayek:
>
> I “always” hit the ESC key during the openSUSE system start-up (for
> a lot of years - like from 1995), that “never” caused a problem. Now
> it looks, as if hitting the ESC key during 12.1 start-up too early
> makes it shut down.
>
> This must have been the 1st time since experiencing my 12.1
> “trouble”, that I did not hit the ESC key at all, and (big, big
> suprise) the system started up entirely and no spontaneous shutting
> down.
>
> This is somehow embarrassing, and it takes me some courage to admit
> it here. I am sorry, I stole your time.
>
> A big “thank you!” for dedicating your time!
>
> BR, Jochen
>
No you did not stole our time, this is interesting, since I do not see
that behavior. I try to imagine if that can be a side effect from the
upgrade jumping over versions but cannot really think how that can be.
If you always hit ESC what about removing the quiet and splash=silent
and add nosplash?

Btw we started the same year with S.u.S.E. - 1995.


PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10

On 08/20/2012 08:56 AM, Jochen Hayek wrote:
> I described 2different systems, pls see above!

ah…well, the often imprecise http>nntp interface strikes again!

you can see here http://susepaste.org/55041110 the full extent of your
first post, as displayed on my screen was only one line.


dd

Nice!! Thank you!

Interesting… despite your perceived embarrassment, thanks for posting back your findings.

Now I’m curious, what version of SuSE were you guys using in 1995? My second Linux distro was SuSE 6.0 (first was RH 4.3). I think 6.0 might have been a bit later than 95 though… yup… according to wikipedia, 6.0 was 1998. With it’s fancy futuristic box designs, how could this (then in highschool) kid say no? :smiley:

On 2012-08-20 10:25, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 08/20/2012 08:56 AM, Jochen Hayek wrote:
>> I described 2different systems, pls see above!
>
> ah…well, the often imprecise http>nntp interface strikes again!
>
> you can see here http://susepaste.org/55041110 the full extent of your first post, as
> displayed on my screen was only one line.

Yes, here too. It is the lone dot at the end of the first line that created havoc.
But I noticed the issue after the first reply. :slight_smile:

But even so, I understand nothing. :-}


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On 2012-08-20 08:46, Jochen Hayek wrote:

>
> I used the “Network” / “netinstall” DVD.
> (The PC has an external USB DVD drive attached,
> the ASUS notebook has an internal DVD drive.)
>
> And I followed the “upgrade” path in both cases.
>
> Actually I ran the 12.1 upgrade on the notebook twice,
> on the 2nd run (less then 12 hours after the 1st run) it only replaced
> a few hundred packages.
> But the 12.1 installation on the notebook still doesn’t boot,
> that’s why I am here.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand anything.

Could you explain everything again, clearly, from the start?

If you did a DVD upgrade, you have to read this and apply:

Offline upgrade method


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

Am 20.08.2012 16:06, schrieb mr0z:
> Now I’m curious, what version of SuSE were you guys using in 1995?
S.u.S.E. Linux Paket 11/94
I installed it early 1995 on a 486sx 25MHz, it was based on Slackware
(no Yast, no rpm at that time).
Took me a week or so till X worked (800x600x256 on a 14’ screen).


PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10

Am 20.08.2012 16:22, schrieb Martin Helm:
> Am 20.08.2012 16:06, schrieb mr0z:
>> Now I’m curious, what version of SuSE were you guys using in 1995?
> S.u.S.E. Linux Paket 11/94
> I installed it early 1995 on a 486sx 25MHz, it was based on Slackware
> (no Yast, no rpm at that time).
> Took me a week or so till X worked (800x600x256 on a 14’ screen).
>
And it still exists
http://ftp.ch.debian.org/mirror/suse-1194/
even with the German manual
http://ftp.ch.debian.org/mirror/suse-1194/S.u.S.E._Linux_11_94.ps


PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10

computing history :smiley: how times have change… makes me long a bit for those days.

Am 20.08.2012 16:56, schrieb mr0z:
> computing history :smiley: how times have change… makes me long a bit for
> those days.

Oh yes these good old days. :slight_smile:

But to be honest I do not want to have that days back where I had to
find out with a srewdriver and a magnifier glass what exact hardware
chip is built in which produces a problem and what to buy to replace it
giving me a working system.

Btw it was not the first unixoid system I had setup at home, some time
before ('93?) I had a BSD (386BSD) which came on 30+x floppies or so.


PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10

On 2012-08-20 17:27, Martin Helm wrote:
> Am 20.08.2012 16:56, schrieb mr0z:
>> computing history :smiley: how times have change… makes me long a bit for
>> those days.
>
> Oh yes these good old days. :slight_smile:

5.2 here, I think. No , 5.3, I keep the CDs, from a magazine.
Took me more than a week to get X running.
No sax. :slight_smile:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

Very true… a middle way is generally best :slight_smile:

I took a long break from Linux and ran FreeBSD for a number of years. Only downside was that I would have to port my assignments to the school’s Linux servers before handing them in.

I don’t recall if I ever got X running 6.0… I should go dig up that boxed set somewhere… frame it or something :slight_smile: