On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:56:01 +0000, fakemoth wrote:
> Please move this thread. If you think that the lack of a driver is not a
> “technical” issue. Though I don’t know why you should delete it again,
> if not for just ignoring what a user keeps writing and pad yourselves on
> the back for your good job. And how can you suggest that someone
> “demands”, “requests”, “needs just for himself” a video driver, if not
> just to provoke a user to answer to those enormities just to smack him
> good one more time?
The forum staff here does not build these packages - so complaining to
the forum staff about the package not being built is complaining to the
wrong people.
> I think I saw one or two open source communities and I have a pretty
> good understanding. That’s why I keep reading this old non sense: “do it
> yourself if you are complaining here”; maybe you - the openSUSE “you”
> team that is - should ask yourself why are you letting this happen? It
> should be someone near the core of the team, the guys managing the
> kernel or the internals of the OS maybe, that should manage the
> humongous number of video drivers (2). OK 1, if you count out the
> nVidia, as mentioned.
The openSUSE “team” is not a “you” - it’s a “we”. You had a need for
this driver, and the person who maintains the packages hadn’t had a
chance to update his build scripts. Instead of complaining, you could
contact that individual and ask how you can help. Instead, you posted a
highly aggressive post on a user-to-user support forum demanding (yes,
demanding) that someone get off their backsides and build it for you.
That is /not/ how an open source community works. If you’ve seen one or
two open source communities, you’d know that.
> You lost me again here - this is just defensive, culpable, admins
> posting, an ancient open source “tradition”: help with what exactly and
> in what way as you keep joggling with the concept?
> -how should I “request for help” for something that doesn’t exist
> (figure of speech as right now I am seeing an update for fglrx… so you
> need people to “rant” about it, to notice that there is a major driver
> update for weeks after all, or? figure there are mailing lists for this
> kind of info, but if no one is reading?)?
You ask who maintains it, and then offer to assist them if the release
speed isn’t to your liking.
> -do you want me to help and compile the driver, is that it? OK, stop
> being so elusive and hit the important points: just make a “how to”
> about how and what do you need, teach me and I will do it! But I doubt
> that you would do that 
Also please do not point me to
> https://software.opensuse.org and just tell me to knock myself out with
> compiling the drivers. I am talking about an official openSUSE repo,
> properly maintained. Jesus, you would have like two releases per year…
>
> This is not the proper attitude from a distro that puts the user
> experience first, one that is willing to install the silly flash-player
> for example, but not the video driver to run it, just sayin’. Because
> that is why most of the people choose openSUSE; else they will go
> Stallman-style-nuts, a pure world of freedom where nothing works on your
> “free” Celeron with 512MB of RAM, and a 16MB Matrox. Or whatever.
You know from apparent long experience that the openSUSE project values
“open” software compared to proprietary software. Support for
proprietary software is generally something that is picked up by someone
with a specific interest in making it work. When something’s not
packaged quickly enough (or at all), it’s a question of people with
sufficient interest.
So instead of being angry and shouting at the community, step in and
offer to help. If you don’t know how you can help, ask someone.
But shouting at the community in anger is not the way to get things done
- and shouting at non-developers is /really/ not the way to get things
done.
As it happens, I was going to mention this morning (as I myself had a
need for the updated driver with my upgrades over the weekend to 42.1)
that the driver is now available. That you found it indicates that you
probably have some idea that this is not the place to ask about it, since
I don’t believe the update has found its way to iota.net (the repo where
these drivers end up) - but I could be wrong.
As a general rule, relax, take it easy, and ask rather than getting angry
and yelling. In your original post, your tone was “don’t answer me, just
make it available already!” - so, OK, you posted, you didn’t want an
answer, so we deleted your post because that’s not how this community
works.
For future reference, you will always get better answers if you are
polite than if you come across as an angry, demanding user. That is the
expectation here.
This thread is now CLOSED.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Also please do not point me to 
It is soapbox after all…