Hi,
it seems a lot of nifty features that are requested here are not implemented because of the nntp dependency.
Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our” users? As far as I know the use of nntp appears to be noexistent in general … but then what do I know?
And might there be a turning point where enough new features are requested that the nntp thingy itself might be subject of discussion for holding back the development of this forum?
stefan
On 06/27/2008 stefan1975 wrote:
> it seems a lot of nifty features that are requested here are not
> implemented because of the nntp dependency.
Which ones?
I’ll see if I can find Marcel in order to provide some numbers on NNTP use.
Uwe
stefan1975 wrote:
> Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our”
> users? As far as I know the use of nntp appears to be noexistent in
> general … but then what do I know?
>
Just a quick FIY, if users set up their client correctly, NNTP will be
close to transparent. Personally, I can only tell by the way NNTP quotes
like in this thread as I made it through NNTP but that is based off the
way the client responds.
stefan1975 wrote:
> Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our”
> users? As far as I know the use of nntp appears to be noexistent in
> general … but then what do I know?
I’d better be careful how I answer that last question, except to say that
I’m using NNTP.
–
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman, not newsboy.
“What use is happiness? It can’t buy you money.” [Chic Murray, 1919-85]
stefan1975 wrote:
>Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our”
>users? As far as I know the use of nntp appears to be noexistent in
>general … but then what do I know?
Here are the current posting stats for the new public opensuse forums:
Users Msgs Msg/U % Name
1495 10365 7 90 vBulletin USENET gateway
19 362 19 3 Thunderbird
37 312 8 3 KNode
3 90 30 1 Mozilla
4 81 20 1 slrn
2 78 39 1 Claws Mail
9 70 8 1 Pan
3 41 14 0 Unknown
2 39 20 0 Evolution
2 19 10 0 TIN
3 13 4 0 Microsoft Outlook Express
2 9 5 0 Unison
2 7 4 0 Microsoft Windows Mail
3 6 2 0 XanaNews
2 3 2 0 Groupwise
1 2 2 0 Virtual Access
1 2 2 0 Opera
1 2 2 0 NNTPSTAT
1 1 1 0 Xnews
Marcel Cox’s Profile: http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=8
> 1495 10365 7 90 vBulletin USENET gateway
is that how all browsers are counted? so, 90% is via the web???
DenverD
my how things change…
the first USNET forum i joined was 100% NNTP…
actually, it was the first several dozen…
but that was so Last Century. 
DenverD wrote:
>
>is that how all browsers are counted? so, 90% is via the web???
Yes. The stats are counted on the NNTP side and all messages posted on the
web count as the same “newsreader”.
Marcel Cox’s Profile: http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=8
well from the top of my head:
stefan
TBH I’m a little confused with the figures.
Users Msgs Msg/U % Name
1495 10365 7 90 vBulletin USENET gateway
Is that saying 10365 msgs total both ways then what is the 7?
I presume
19 362 19 3 Thunderbird the 19 means 19 posted msg using thunderbird.
Which if the case 192 msgs total, no/yes? I just struggle to believe 10365 have been posted.
stefan1975 wrote:
> buckesfeld;1827194 Wrote:
>> On 06/27/2008 stefan1975 wrote:
>>> it seems a lot of nifty features that are requested here are not
>>> implemented because of the nntp dependency.
>>
>> Which ones?
>>
>> I’ll see if I can find Marcel in order to provide some numbers on NNTP
>> use.
>>
>> Uwe
>
> well from the top of my head:
>
> - editing posts
Is already possible.
> - marking threads as [solved]
Is possible be contacting a staff member
> - moving threads
>
> stefan
>
>
Is already being done. Am I missing something?
Marcel Cox wrote:
> stefan1975 wrote:
>
>> Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our”
>> users? As far as I know the use of nntp appears to be noexistent in
>> general … but then what do I know?
>
> Here are the current posting stats for the new public opensuse forums:
>
> Users Msgs Msg/U % Name
> 1495 10365 7 90 vBulletin USENET gateway
> 19 362 19 3 Thunderbird
> 37 312 8 3 KNode
> 3 90 30 1 Mozilla
> 4 81 20 1 slrn
> 2 78 39 1 Claws Mail
> 9 70 8 1 Pan
> 3 41 14 0 Unknown
> 2 39 20 0 Evolution
> 2 19 10 0 TIN
> 3 13 4 0 Microsoft Outlook Express
> 2 9 5 0 Unison
> 2 7 4 0 Microsoft Windows Mail
> 3 6 2 0 XanaNews
> 2 3 2 0 Groupwise
> 1 2 2 0 Virtual Access
> 1 2 2 0 Opera
> 1 2 2 0 NNTPSTAT
> 1 1 1 0 Xnews
>
Out of curiosity, is this the figures for today only or a specific time
period?
FeatherMonkey,
> Is that saying 10365 msgs total both ways then what is the 7?
>
7 is the average number of messages per user.
–
Marcel Cox
http://support.novell.com/forums
No email replies please !
Mmm I take it these figures are for all nntp then and not just relevant to this forum then?
As I doubt there is much more than 10365 msg’s since launch using all protocols on this forum. I would love to be proved wrong though.
69_rs_ss,
> Out of curiosity, is this the figures for today only or a specific time
> period?
>
It’s for all messages in my database which in theory means all messages
since the new forums went life.
–
Marcel Cox
http://support.novell.com/forums
No email replies please !
Marcel Cox,
> It’s for all messages in my database which in theory means all messages
> since the new forums went life.
The two largest forums of the three that merged were HTTP only. In the
third, a good number of users were HTTP. It is logical that upon startup
of the new forums, the strong majority of users are HTTP. That said, our
hope is to provide the news interface to those that wish to interact via
NNTP and attract new forum users that wouldn’t use the web interface. It’s
very early in the game to decide how it’s going to turn out.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:06:03 +0000, stefan1975 wrote:
> Is there an overview if or how much nntp is actually used by “our”
> users?
I subscribe to nearly 200 NNTP groups (including these forums) using NNTP.
It’s fairly heavily used still.
If I had to visit web-based forums for each of these, I would spend days
reading what I spend a couple hours reading.
NNTP is a necessity for me.
Jim
I did not intend to go into a debate about specific features here, nor a rant, nor do I intend to provoke any.
I was and am just curious about the genral opinion about nntp, it’s uses, the possibility of it holding back forum development and the chance it might be point of discussion at one time if it appeared to be less frequently used then anticipated. and the thoughts of others using this forum.
thanks and keep up the good work on the forum!
stefan
stefan1975 wrote:
>> I was more or less thinking about moving/deleting threads ourselves
>> without mod interference. besides a moved thread’s statistics seem to
>> fo haywire.
>
I don’t think any of the forums when they were separated allowed users
to move or delete their own threads.
> I did not intend to go into a debate about specific features here, nor
> a rant, nor do I intend to provoke any.
>
I understand, I was just trying to get a better grasp at what you had in
mind.
> I was and am just curious about the genral opinion about nntp, it’s
> uses, the possibility of it holding back forum development and the
> chance it might be point of discussion at one time if it appeared to be
> less frequently used then anticipated. and the thoughts of others using
> this forum.
>
> thanks and keep up the good work on the forum!
>
> stefan
>
>
On the topic of NNTP use, I don’t think it will hinder forum
development. When it comes to NNTP use itself, we are only a few weeks
after launch and I’m not sure there is a wide knowledge that NNTP is a
choice. Another added plus is that we seem to have some new users via
NNTP that are actually devs and/or package maintainers so we should try
to keep that in mind also. Just a few thoughts I had on the NNTP
discussion.
Stefan,
NNTP is a “must” for me. It is an extremely effective way of dealing with forums. Plain text, no fuzz, no page loading delays, no need to click with the mouse to navigate. I suggest you try it yourself 
Uwe
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:56:03 +0000, stefan1975 wrote:
> I did not intend to go into a debate about specific features here, nor a
> rant, nor do I intend to provoke any.
Not taken that way - sorry if my comment was.
> I was and am just curious about the genral opinion about nntp, it’s
> uses, the possibility of it holding back forum development and the
> chance it might be point of discussion at one time if it appeared to be
> less frequently used then anticipated. and the thoughts of others using
> this forum.
As I said, I couldn’t participate without it. I have a single set of web-
only forums that I use, and I can’t participate at the level I’d like
because the interface is just too cumbersome. If I had to do that for
the Novell forums, the POV-Ray forums, and several mailing lists that I
access through gmane, I’d have no free time in the day at all unless I
significantly cut back on the number of messages I read a day.
Was a time when I was answering forum questions on CompuServe using an
offline reader (OzCIS for anyone who remembers it), and I was writing
600=1000 responses a week. There’s no way I could manage that kind of
level through a web interface.
On any given day, I probably read close to 2,000 messages across all of
these groups.
Jim