NNTP access (again)?

I have tried several times to post via NNTP today, and no luck at all. I even deleted my entire account in thunderbird, and made a new one, connecting to server A instead of server B, with the address nntp.novell.com (when I used to have opensuse in there). Still, no posts are going through.

It has been some time since I have tried to post anything in the forums. Have there been consistent nntp connection problems?

George


G.O.
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learning openSUSE and loving it

Is this a serious question? Then you would better have posted this in Forums feedback > How to use the forums, then here in General Chit-Chat were all sorts of mostly not very serious discussions are posted.

Also be aware that the NNTP interface was down for a few days, but as the top of every HTTP page here says: it works again (and there was some advice there, but as not NNTP users. I have clicked it away without further studying it.).

Do you want me to move this thread to the Forums feedback?

On 06/22/2013 05:46 PM, hcvv wrote:
>
> Is this a serious question? Then you would better have posted this in
> Forums feedback > How to use the forums, then here in General Chit-Chat
> were all sorts of mostly not very serious discussions are posted.
>
> Also be aware that the NNTP interface was down for a few days, but as
> the top of every HTTP page here says: it works again (and there was some
> advice there, but as not NNTP users. I have clicked it away without
> further studying it.).
>
> Do you want me to move this thread to the Forums feedback?
>
>
yes, please move it to feedback, thanks. I didn’t realize that is where
we are supposed to post something like this.


G.O.
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CLOSED for the moment. Will be moved to How to use the Forums.

Moved from General Chit-Chat and opem again.

On 2013-06-23 12:26, hcvv wrote:
>
> hcvv;2566705 Wrote:
>> CLOSED for the moment. Will be moved to How to use the Forums.
>
> Moved from General Chit-Chat and opem again.

I have problems to see new posts.

I posted about this in the annoucements thread, one of the few that work
reliably:

+++·······································

For example, these thread, started today, on applications:

openSuse 12.3 kde different cursor theme at login screen
java question and Evernote app (general)

Do not appear on nntp. This other:

Cannot change keyboard layout - Gnome 3.8 - OpenSUSE 12.3

has 2 posts on web, one on nntp. This:

alt+f2 or ctrl+alt+f* keys not working

has 9 posts on web, 7 on nntp. Hcw post from today is missing.

I’m testing with pan, no leafnode, and resubscribed 4 times at least.

Ie, today posts are not getting through on the application forum. Lets
see the install/boot/login forum. For instance, this post:

My system goes straight to grub rescue

is missing on nntp. This:

How do you remove an alien partition

Has activity today that I see on pan, but not in thunderbird, those made
by Hermes14. I have to bang leafnode on the head by resetting the
highwater mark.

Also I see code sections with broken wrap.

·······································

I tried again with the thread “openSuse 12.3 kde different cursor theme
at login screen” on the application forum - using pan directly connected
to nntp.opensuse.org. I opened the group, and I could not see it. The
groups are set to download new posts on entry. I resubscribed several
times already, no difference.

What it works is telling Pan to download ALL headers, not new headers
only. Or to download the headers of the last 120 days. THEN I get that
thread I mentioned, started today, and others.

On Thunderbird I do not see it, working via leafnode, so leafnode hasn’t
got that post either. In Thunderbird I resubsribed already to all the
groups, no difference.

What works in leafnode, is go to the
/var/spool/news/leaf.node/nntp.opensuse.org file, edit it, and edit the
line from

opensuse.org.help.applications 161733

to

opensuse.org.help.applications 161000

then run fetchnews again. This is basically the same as telling Pan to
download the last 100 days headers.

In the log I then see:


> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:02 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >XOVER 161000-161732
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:03 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  <224 Overview Information Follows
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:03 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161000 (<chief_sealth.5wceao@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:03 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161001 (<caf4926.5wceap@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
> ...
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:08 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161583 (<NikTh.5xchdc@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
(**)
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:08 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161626 (<wolfi323.5x2nnz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
>...
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:09 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161731 (<tsu2.5x6to1@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:09 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: killed 161732 (<vazhavandan.5x72go@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>), already fetched before
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:09 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >ARTICLE 161584
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:09 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >ARTICLE 161585
> ...
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:26 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >ARTICLE 161624
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:26 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >ARTICLE 161625
> <7.6> 2013-06-23 20:00:27 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  opensuse.org.help.applications: 42 articles fetched (to 72830), 680 killed
> <7.7> 2013-06-23 20:00:27 Telcontar fetchnews 12662 - -  >GROUP opensuse.org.help.programming-scripting.build-service



The highwater mark reads now “161733”, but notice that the last post I
downloaded was only “161625”, so no new posts will be retrieved
automatically, that mark is wrong.

The server does indeed have post 161733 (see log above), but it
corresponds to a post that has already been retrieved before. The posts
I miss were somewhere before that, from 161584 to 161625. Notice the
missing section marked with “(**)” above? Those are note lines I
removed, that’s a real jump at the server, those are the posts that were
not downloaded before, that were skipped because they are below the high
water mark.

Could the server be filling the holes of the posts that were not sent
during these days? Not the posts, but the numbers, like slots. No, this
makes no sense…


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

@Carlos, not gonna quote your entire post, hendersj already tried to explain what’s going on in one of the other threads

On 2013-06-23 21:16, Knurpht wrote:
>
> @Carlos, not gonna quote your entire post, hendersj already tried to
> explain what’s going on in one of the other threads

Tell me which and I’ll look it up. I haven’t seen it.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On Sun 23 Jun 2013 09:58:07 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Tell me which and I’ll look it up. I haven’t seen it.

Xref: novprvlin0890.provo.novell.com opensuse.org.feedback.forums.comments-suggestions:5990


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop
up 19:46, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.32, 0.18
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

On 2013-06-24 01:54, malcolmlewis wrote:
>

> On Sun 23 Jun 2013 09:58:07 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Tell me which and I’ll look it up. I haven’t seen it.
>

> Xref: novprvlin0890.provo.novell.com opensuse.org.feedback.forums.comments-suggestions:5990

I don’t have that post, I searched my entire database. The Xref is local
to the server. For example, your post is here:

> Xref: Telcontar.valinor opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information:2700

The Message-ID should be universal. Or instead, can some one give me a
link to the web side link, please?

Nevermind, I think I found the posts you mean.

Newsgroups: opensuse.org.feedback.forums.comments-suggestions
Subject: nntp<>http inoperative again–apparently


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On Mon 24 Jun 2013 01:28:08 AM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I don’t have that post, I searched my entire database. The Xref is local
to the server. For example, your post is here:

> Xref: Telcontar.valinor
> opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information:2700

The Message-ID should be universal. Or instead, can some one give me a
link to the web side link, please?

Hi
AFAIK the message ID’s should be in sequence, In this newsgroup claws
shows 2156 message headers in this group, this post should be 2159,
less a couple of, I would guess spam or test messages…

2700 doesn’t seem correct…


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop
up 21:38, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.15, 0.10
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

On 2013-06-24 03:49, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> AFAIK the message ID’s should be in sequence, In this newsgroup claws
> shows 2156 message headers in this group, this post should be 2159,
> less a couple of, I would guess spam or test messages…
>
> 2700 doesn’t seem correct…

The XRef number is different on each server. If you pull directly from
nntp.opensuse.org you see one; I see another because I pull from my
local leafnode server.

This post has:


> Xref: novprvlin0890.provo.novell.com
> 	opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information:2159

on nntp.opensuse.org and


> Xref: Telcontar.valinor opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information:2702

on my localhost. So you see, you can not give an XREF number because it
is not universal (2700 is indeed correct in my machine). You have to
give the Message-ID instead, that one is universal:


Message-ID: <20130623204913.0d9071cc@gonzo.gekkota.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20130623204913.0d9071cc@gonzo.gekkota.dyndns.org>

Notice that the Message-ID has nothing to do with the number at the end
of the Xref - which has to do with the high-water mark of the server,
though.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)