Hmm, I really don’t like the inclusion of all that US government clap-trap, and if I want to build a nuclear missile powered by openSUSE, then I jolly well will!
I really don’t like the US government telling me what to do, and I don’t agree to anything they want me to comply with.
Might be a suitable time to go distro hopping again :(.
I really should start my own distro, I already have the name planned:
Bite-me Linux
It will include ALL wireless drivers, media codecs, links to all the best pirate sites, nuclear bomb plans, and even the recipe for the “secret herbs and spices”.
…was that the distant sound of Novell employees fainting?
It will be hosted on a Russian or Chinese (or any other sensible country that ignores US legal rubbish) website, and the license will be simply:
I agree to ignore the US and all other legal morons and the nonsense they perpetuate, I also agree to tell everyone else in this (and any newly discovered) universe(s) to bite me! I agree to use “bite-me” linux whenever I want, for whichever purpose I want.
Flame away, I have my bite-me brand fireproof undies on already
I completely agree. I’m very thankful not to live in America, (due only to its government - the country itself is ace) and I’m especially glad they don’t get to tell me what I can and can’t do. The EULA extending their law to me is enough to make me seriously consider abandoning openSUSE.
The main reason for me switching to linux was to avoid restrictive EULAs to as great an extent as possible. I’ll be your first Bite-me Linux evangelist…
If I’ve misunderstood the EULA - let me know; I’ll miss using openSUSE.
so you’d call a EULA that restricts you from making a nuke or biological restrictive?
It is most likely there to protect opensuse, in the event that some nut job actually did use opensuse or opensuse/novell software on a weapon, from a likely lawsuit that could follow against opensuse or novell.
Uwe,
I read the long EULA written for 11.0 it was boooooorrriiinnngg:|
How would anyone know? If you used Suse or Ubuntu ask the bomb,the germs?
I can see it now Akmed the Dead Terrorist getting hauled off to Gitmo for using Opensuse to train his anthrax.rotfl!
As far as I remember, when I read the “EULA” (End Up Like Amerika) for openSUSE 11, it was long winded but all it came down to was that they were protecting the openSUSE branding, graphics, and programmes contributed by Novell.
It had no mention of US government stuff.
Although my memory is not too good so I could have got it wrong :.
I guess someone could simply re-master the 11.1 (and any future versions of openSUSE that include nasty EULAs) and remove the EULA necessity, that would be a suitable workaround.
Sorry to be so dissenting, but I feel rather strongly about this subject. I do not like clicking “I agree” to something that I do NOT agree to, and object to with all my being.
Couldn’t they just have a “I agree not to make missiles, bombs, or kill any Amerikans with openSUSE” check box, that would be OK.
I think they need to say US, because that whole section is only for Americans, as it says
understand and agree that if you are in the US and export or transfer openSUSE 11.1 to eligible end users, you will, as required by EAR Section 741.17
So I would guess that clause is only for americans.
Either way, American law does not belong in my country so it would have no standing outside of the US I guess, perhaps they need two EULA’s, one that is american, and one for the rest. Which comes up depends on the country the person puts they exist within.
Hmm, looks like the news hasn’t spread here yet or this thread could have been avoided, but that would spoil the fun for a soapbox, no? This was reported by DWW but it has been out a few days: there will be no more EULA in 11.1.
Ok, but it’s not a EULA anymore (even though the URL is misnamed) and you don’t have to click anything or agree to anything. It’s just telling you how it is. So there’s no fuss required.
I for one am not a fan of EULA but if Novel chooses to use one, that’s their business, not yours. Also, I am glad I live in the good old USA where I can legally own a firearm and don’t have cameras at every street corner like they do in England. Big brother must love you…
Rant aside, if Novel wants to stop you from using SUSE to program a nuclear bomb or biological weapon of warfare that may be used in the war on terror, that’s their business not yours politics aside. Also, lighten up. Some of you are way too touchy just because its a license. I’m sorry we Americans respect intellectual property. Its not like you can’t already download and use openSUSE 11.0 or 11.1 for free anyway. Just don’t use it to engineer a bomb lamo!
IS there really a need for this thread to turn into a slam other countries? The two posters that objected did so because they object to the US laws within it, so how about lets leave the rubbish about which country is better to live in out of it. Every country has it’s positives, every country has it’s negatives, who cares.
License law still applies here, to everybody, even though there is no A anymore in the “EULA”. The open source code is licensed under GPL, Apache, and many other licenses. You do not have to click on agree or anything like that, but it still applies. You cannot, for example, make a change in GPLed source code, distribute a binary and not give out your source code changes. If one disagrees with the GPL, then one can just desist from doing that. Copyright laws do apply here.
Non-US readers can just skip the US portion of the L and no fuss anymore.
It’s very much like the Fedora license because that’s where it was adopted from. It allays the concern with previous versions that Novell was trying to put something over users. No such thing but you know how corporate legals are. Now it’s fixed for 11.1.
You read it did you maybe so but you flunked big time Novell gives the right to copy, modify distribute et al it does not give you the right to make changes and then release it as proprietary software. the EULA is basically a rewrite of the GPL The GNU General Public License - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)
