New rescue image request

Hi,

I tested the new rescue image available in the download page. It is very
nice. I asked and we can request software to be added to it.

I want to suggest to add the tools that forum contributors have
developed and that are so useful, like for example, findgrub.

The idea is to make a list of those applications (small list), and then
submit a bugzilla against the live medium as suggested at Bug 807395,
comment 2.

The problem is that they consider this image as fixed and not updatable
till 13.1, just as the main images.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

I shall take it that this thread is a place to discuss suggestions.

I would like to see “dar” and possibly “dd_rescue” on the rescue disk. These are small command line tools that are useful for rescue purposes.

is there a list of programs included on the disk somewhere?

does the disk include the repair functionality provided on the dvd?

thanks,

On 03/05/2013 05:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The idea is to make a list of those applications (small list)

are atop, emacs, htop, iftop, iotop, iwscanner, mc, nmap, ntop,
powertop on the list (already)?


dd

On 2013-03-05 18:16, google01103 wrote:
>
> is there a list of programs included on the disk somewhere?

Dunno, but I can boot it later and make one.

> does the disk include the repair functionality provided on the dvd?

And more. It has yast (not all modules), xfce, and two other small
desktops. I have seen ‘mc’ (finally!) and parted.

It is about 560 MB, so it has a lot, compared to the text based dvd
rescue option.

It has a big problem, though: keyboard selection. No way I could find to
select a non USA keyboard. I have reported this on a bugzilla.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

If you have internet connection you can install missing software with zypper or yast. You can become root with simply typing “su” in terminal (without password). A “zypper ref” may be useful before installing.

On 2013-03-05 20:06, zerum wrote:
>
> google01103;2532216 Wrote:
>> is there a list of programs included on the disk somewhere?
> If you have internet connection you can install missing software with
> zypper or yast. You can become root with simply typing “su” in terminal
> (without password). A “zypper ref” may be useful before installing.

But it is a live system, do those installed packages get installed onto
the live? Does it have a persistent filesystem?


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

On Tue 05 Mar 2013 04:08:12 PM CST, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Hi,

I tested the new rescue image available in the download page. It is very
nice. I asked and we can request software to be added to it.

I want to suggest to add the tools that forum contributors have
developed and that are so useful, like for example, findgrub.

The idea is to make a list of those applications (small list), and then
submit a bugzilla against the live medium as suggested at Bug 807395,
comment 2.

The problem is that they consider this image as fixed and not updatable
till 13.1, just as the main images.

Hi
As always, the script owners need to host them somewhere, google,
github etc, add a copyright, readme maybe a man page etc.

Then they can be packaged up on OBS, pushed to a development project,
then added to Factory.

Images are easy to re-package (on OBS or locally) it just needs the file
list updating for packages to include, so a retro-spin could be done.


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.28-2.20-desktop
up 8 days 20:58, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.11
CPU Intel® i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | GPU Intel® Ironlake Mobile

On 2013-03-06 00:57, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> As always, the script owners need to host them somewhere, google,
> github etc, add a copyright, readme maybe a man page etc.
>
> Then they can be packaged up on OBS, pushed to a development project,
> then added to Factory.

Whatever, some of those could be very useful for us, when a user comes
with with an installation problem and we can just tell them to boot the
rescue system and run such command, instead of having to handhold them
to install whatever tool we need for diagnosis or repair.

> Images are easy to re-package (on OBS or locally) it just needs the file
> list updating for packages to include, so a retro-spin could be done.

I know, but there is a policy that the distribution images are never
touched after release. Only Kulow can override that, I believe. I would
like they make an exception with the rescue image, or at least soften
the policy a bit.

So anything we request now for this rescue image will not get added till
13.1. I wish I had discovered the existence of this rescue system
earlier :frowning:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

SUSE Paste

That’s the rpm list.

I’m typing this inside the rescue system, with USA keyboard definition when my keyboard is Spanish. Difficult.

There is a browser (midori), but no mail/nntp program. Dunno about IRC.

On 2013-03-06 02:06, robin listas wrote:
> I’m typing this inside the rescue system, with USA keyboard definition
> when my keyboard is Spanish. Difficult.

And I was logged in as root (shhh!) :stuck_out_tongue:

(known and reported bug)


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:14:11 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> And I was logged in as root (shhh!) :stuck_out_tongue:
>
> (known and reported bug)

Given that a rescue system is for rescuing your installed system, running
as root seems appropriate.

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 2013-03-05 18:06, nrickert wrote:

> I shall take it that this thread is a place to discuss suggestions.

Yes, that’s my idea. Then we have to write the bugzilla with our list.

> I would like to see “dar” and possibly “dd_rescue” on the rescue disk.
> These are small command line tools that are useful for rescue purposes.

dd_rescue is there, dar is not. Photorec is there, too.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

On Wed 06 Mar 2013 12:34:12 AM CST, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2013-03-06 00:57, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> As always, the script owners need to host them somewhere, google,
> github etc, add a copyright, readme maybe a man page etc.
>
> Then they can be packaged up on OBS, pushed to a development project,
> then added to Factory.

Whatever, some of those could be very useful for us, when a user comes
with with an installation problem and we can just tell them to boot the
rescue system and run such command, instead of having to handhold them
to install whatever tool we need for diagnosis or repair.

> Images are easy to re-package (on OBS or locally) it just needs the
> file list updating for packages to include, so a retro-spin could be
> done.

I know, but there is a policy that the distribution images are never
touched after release. Only Kulow can override that, I believe. I would
like they make an exception with the rescue image, or at least soften
the policy a bit.

So anything we request now for this rescue image will not get added till
13.1. I wish I had discovered the existence of this rescue system
earlier :frowning:

Hi
A re-spin can be made on OBS, outside of the release process… or get
it added to SUSE Studio would be another option.


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.28-2.20-desktop
up 9 days 0:12, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.05
CPU Intel® i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | GPU Intel® Ironlake Mobile

> ‘SUSE Paste’ (http://susepaste.org/13855134)
> That’s the rpm list.

hmmmmm…judging from the lack of basic CLI testing/troubleshooting
tools it looks like the rescue image’s creator was one inclined to
“rescue” with GUI tools…

please add ‘testdisk’ to my previous list of CLI testing and ‘rescue’
tools…


dd

On 2013-03-06 09:25, dd wrote:
>> ‘SUSE Paste’ (http://susepaste.org/13855134)
>> That’s the rpm list.
>
> hmmmmm…judging from the lack of basic CLI testing/troubleshooting
> tools it looks like the rescue image’s creator was one inclined to
> “rescue” with GUI tools…

Indeed :slight_smile:

But it has the midnight commander! I missed it for years in the text
rescue image of the dvd.

> please add ‘testdisk’ to my previous list of CLI testing and ‘rescue’
> tools…

It is part of the photorec package, so it is there already :slight_smile:

There is a small web browser, I posted in bugzilla and in the forums
here. There is a chat client. But there is no email/nntp client that I
could see.

But what I want to suggest most are the diagnostic tools developed by
forum contributors. Findgrub is one. More? They will ask for a
repository, I suppose, so I need that data.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

I don’t see any persistent. After a reboot the previous installed packages are gone.

But I think the rescue cd is a great thing. Sometimes I missed one with openSUSE taste.

I have no problems with keyboard layout (german in my case). As usual I select after booting with F2 my language and the keyboard layout suits to it.

But xfce desktop does not start. Always gets back to session manager. TWM and Ice-WM starting without problems. Tested in virtualbox. Can someone confirm?

Yes, this is correct. Running online updates would probably fix it, though the fix would be gone by the next boot. Presumably that will be fixed in the final release.

You actually can login to XFCE as root, but not as the non-root live user.

On 2013-03-06 16:36, zerum wrote:

>> But it is a live system, do those installed packages get installed
>> onto
>> the live? Does it have a persistent filesystem?
>
> I don’t see any persistent. After a reboot the previous installed
> packages are gone.

At
Live USB stick with persistent file system it says how to make
persistent the CD image. But those instructions are old, and I don’t
know if they apply to this image. I do not want to try that while I’m
waiting for feedback on my bug.

> But I think the rescue cd is a great thing. Sometimes I missed one with
> openSUSE taste.

Indeed.

> I have no problems with keyboard layout (german in my case). As usual I
> select after booting with F2 my language and the keyboard layout suits
> to it.

But it doesn’t for me.

I leave language at US English, and change keyboard to “Spanish”. I can
type correctly then at the boot options line. However, when I get to
xfce (as root) it is lost.

Also if I change the locale at the login screen, it is ignored.

> But xfce desktop does not start. Always gets back to session manager.
> TWM and Ice-WM starting without problems. Tested iny. virtualbox. Can
> someone confirm?

Yes, the DVD installation has the same problem if you install xfce
desktop only. There is an update that solves this, they say, but not for
the rescue image that has not been updated.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

I can confirm that. Setting only keyboard at boot prompt (with F2) to german does not have any effect to the working system. I tried it with setting language to spanish and the keyboard layout seems to be correct.