On or about February 25th 2013 the Center for Copyright Information implemented a new strategy to stop what they feel are illegal downloads. Read the blog post Here. As far as I know this only effects the USA but I am sure the technology or modus operandi can be used everywhere in the future.
Couple of interesting things to discuss, who are the participating ISP and how will this conduct be reprimanded. In the US we only have a couple of huge ISP for the whole country and there is not really any way to switch to a new one. There have also been some court cases where college kids downloading mp3 files from there dormitory room have been drug through the court system and got fined over $250000 already. So what can be expected from this new monitoring program?
If you ask me the details are very vague and at the very least we need to have some detailed facts about just what the CCI is up too. If anyone has any insight or links post them here.
Me, I am not so worried about copyright content but I do have torrents running at all times and would hate to see problems with those. On the other hand I do download a few mp3 from a “russian” music site, I guess maybe that should be worrisome.
>> If anyone has any insight or links post them here.
>
> as far as i can tell the only folks who should be interested in this are
> those intent on breaking laws in order to receive/share stolen digital
> goods…
>
> since neither the openSUSE community nor any of our sponsors endorse
> such theft i see no reason why it should be discuss here.
Well, openSUSE is distributed by a torrent, and if l7 classification is
used to just make torrents difficult to use (and is “assumed copyright
infringement” because of the technology involved), then that does impact
users of openSUSE.
But it is reasonable as well to just point out that any discussion
concerning downloading copyrighted material without the owner’s express
permission will be removed from this thread and if necessary additional
actions will be taken.
Anyone who has questions about what the boundaries are should read the
information linked in my signature, and if in doubt, ask via PM first.
It mentions five ISP’s. The article also covers the UK situation.
I gave up using torrent for downloading openSUSE years ago. Within the last year I heard from someone that lists of any kind of torrent users were being compiled, but I forget by whom.
Comcast has a history of throttling torrents to discourage use. They might use this as an excuse to eliminate it altogether. I never found an advantage in torrents myself. It’s usually been just the opposite of the speed claim. Even with hundreds of hosts I’ve never seen an actual gain over http.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:56:01 +0000, chief sealth wrote:
> consused;2530273 Wrote:
>> Well this report popped up on the BBC News feed today: ‘US internet
>> ‘six strikes’ anti-piracy campaign begins.’
>> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21591696)
>>
>> It mentions five ISP’s. The article also covers the UK situation.
>>
>> I gave up using torrent for downloading openSUSE years ago.
>
> Comcast has a history of throttling torrents to discourage use. They
> might use this as an excuse to eliminate it altogether. I never found an
> advantage in torrents myself. It’s usually been just the opposite of the
> speed claim. Even with hundreds of hosts I’ve never seen an actual gain
> over http.
My experience has been the opposite in the early part of a release,
certainly. Download servers get overloaded by thousands of people trying
to get the ISOs. Torrents don’t have that problem.
They also have automatic checksumming along the way, so the probability
of an uncorrupted download is much higher because of the automatic error
checking.
Same happens if you wanna be first in at the Sales (the ones in real shops).
Not so much of a problem now with local mirrors here in UK.
They also have automatic checksumming along the way, so the probability
of an uncorrupted download is much higher because of the automatic error
checking.
Never had a corrupted release media download with the direct method, not one since 10.1, ever. Did have one serious error with a dist-upgrade downloading once, but that was pre-release and the fault was to do with the repo content.
As you have said before the UK doesn’t seem to have your price/lack-of-performance issues with ISP’s and/or their networks.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:46:01 +0000, consused wrote:
> hendersj;2530299 Wrote:
>>
>> Download servers get overloaded by thousands of people trying to get
>> the ISOs.
> Same happens if you wanna be first in at the Sales (the ones in real
> shops).
>
> Not so much of a problem now with local mirrors here in UK.
Yeah, once the initial surge is past, then the website downloads are not
under such heavy load.
>> They also have automatic checksumming along the way, so the probability
>> of an uncorrupted download is much higher because of the automatic
>> error checking.
> Never had a corrupted release media download with the direct method, not
> one since 10.1, ever. Did have one serious error with a dist-upgrade
> downloading once, but that was pre-release and the fault was to do with
> the repo content.
>
> As you have said before the UK doesn’t seem to have your
> price/lack-of-performance issues with ISP’s and/or their networks.
True, but I still do prefer having the download checksummed along the way
and automatically corrected when the checksum fails than having to
download it all and then check (of course, I still do check just to be
sure) and re-download if it doesn’t match the official checksum.
That’s true even when I’m in an office with high-speed connectivity (such
as the local SUSE office in Provo, UT, or at a client site where their
primary business is web hosting).
Old habits die hard. I still keep the repos to the standard few when testing a new install, and always use the checksum in K3b when before burning an ISO.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:56:01 +0000, consused wrote:
> Old habits die hard. I still keep the repos to the standard few when
> testing a new install, and always use the checksum in K3b when before
> burning an ISO.
I also tend to keep the repos to a small number initially, but I no
longer burn ISOs to DVD media. I use isohybrid and put it on a flash
drive.
> My experience has been the opposite in the early part of a release,
> certainly. Download servers get overloaded by thousands of people trying
> to get the ISOs. Torrents don’t have that problem.
>
> They also have automatic checksumming along the way, so the probability
> of an uncorrupted download is much higher because of the automatic error
> checking.
You can use metalinks instead, with aria2c. If the metadata was filled
correctly, the system can download by any method: direct and torrent.
And it does verification and error correction by chunks.
I think it also does torrent seeding.
The direct part of the downloading is done from several mirrors
simultaneously till you fill your entire bandwidth if you wish.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:58:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2013-02-26 22:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> My experience has been the opposite in the early part of a release,
>> certainly. Download servers get overloaded by thousands of people
>> trying to get the ISOs. Torrents don’t have that problem.
>>
>> They also have automatic checksumming along the way, so the probability
>> of an uncorrupted download is much higher because of the automatic
>> error checking.
>
> You can use metalinks instead, with aria2c. If the metadata was filled
> correctly, the system can download by any method: direct and torrent.
> And it does verification and error correction by chunks.
True.
> I think it also does torrent seeding.
Yep, it does, when dealing with a torrent.
> The direct part of the downloading is done from several mirrors
> simultaneously till you fill your entire bandwidth if you wish.
It can, but aria2c does need to be set up to do it - I’ve used it myself
for downloading larger files from FTP/HTTP servers on several occasions -
the concurrent connections settings need to be tweaked a bit if you want
more than 4, and it can be weird getting it to split the file into more
than 4 parts (but not difficult to overcome once you understand what’s
needed).
I’ve found it to be a very good CLI tool, especially for scripted
downloads.
For me, I’m using transmission-daemon, which lets me just download
a .torrent file to a specified directory, and it’ll pick it up
automatically and start the torrent download. I find that incredibly
convenient.
Nothing beats chunk by chunk hash check offered by torrents. After downloading ISOs through torrent i also do a “re-check” of downloaded data using the torrent client to ensure data integrity.
I also heard that metalink technology also does chunk by chunk hash check.
On 2013-02-27 03:01, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:58:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> The direct part of the downloading is done from several mirrors
>> simultaneously till you fill your entire bandwidth if you wish.
>
> It can, but aria2c does need to be set up to do it - I’ve used it myself
> for downloading larger files from FTP/HTTP servers on several occasions -
> the concurrent connections settings need to be tweaked a bit if you want
> more than 4, and it can be weird getting it to split the file into more
> than 4 parts (but not difficult to overcome once you understand what’s
> needed).
Dunno, I’ve never done anything special with it. My bandwidth has never
been good, and the only adjusting I do to aria2c is limiting the
bandwidth it uses so that I can continue my normal work.
> I’ve found it to be a very good CLI tool, especially for scripted
> downloads.
I love the verification and repair part. With my low speed it takes a
day or two to download a dvd, repeating it would be horrible.
> For me, I’m using transmission-daemon, which lets me just download
> a .torrent file to a specified directory, and it’ll pick it up
> automatically and start the torrent download. I find that incredibly
> convenient.
For torrents in the past I used a CLI client, I don’t remember the name.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On 2013-02-27 03:36, vazhavandan wrote:
> I also heard that metalink technology also does chunk by chunk hash
> check.
It does. And PGP signature as well.
When you start a metalink download of an openSUSE DVD, it first download
a meta4 file of about a megabyte, pgp signed, containing signatures of
the whole and chuck hashes (sha-1) every 262144 bytes (that was for
openSUSE 12.2 DVD).
It also contains a list of mirrors newar you to download from, and the
torrent url.
This file is dynamically generated by the opensuse.org redirector.
Isn’t cute?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
My colony is at L1 with very few asteroids :-0.