new computer only ms win

how come are new computer today only MS win
lap top tablit with linux or bsd
linux are bsd better the ms win!!!
ms is a juke!

Because you live in the USA; in Germany two of the top ten laptops on sale come with Linux.

> how come are new computer today only MS win

well, that is just not true…there are MANY new computers available
today with an operating system other than MS-win…

many makers sell Linux on new hardware…google for it!


Germany laptop andd en
name of comp…
If I can not bue form the us I know some people from eu

Microsoft has a monopoly on PC Operating Systems , and they lever that monopoly to ensure self perpetuation.

Any supplier who decides to sell a PC without a Microsoft operating system, has to know that the majority of their customers are looking for a Microsoft operating system. Hence to make a PC attactive with a non-Microsoft OS, there has to be an incentive, such as a lower price.

But Microsoft are aware of this , and there have been known case whether they applied pressure (or special OEM version price/deals) to the PC suppliers to use their operating system.

Its a very difficult market for any other OS to break into, because of the marketting tactics employed by Microsoft. Ubuntu has made some progress here (more than Novell/SuSE-GmbH) , and Ubuntu are to be commended for what they have achieved. … but IMHO Microsoft is a formidable presence in the PC operating System market, and will continue to be the dominant and monopolistic supplier of PC operating systems for some time.

How true…
Anti-monopoly actions are gaining ground though. Did you notice how Microsoft has been clipped overseas! Microsoft can no longer package Mail or Internet Explorer into windows 7 destined for overseas! Microsoft Mail can’t be bundled with windows 7 in USA/CAN And they have been forced to make internet Explorer a feature that can be completely shut off.
Hardware manufacturers and OEM dealers have long since been under the thumbnails of M$ being ordered to only offer M$ latest products or face negative ramifications. Novell has known this since the old days of DOS where they dealt with M$ at arms length and had their perverbial arm torn off. It’s been a long road back for them. You may wonder where the networking strength of OpenSuSE came from … thank Novell.:slight_smile:

yea moderator. You got it right and straight. Change is gradual and it will take time as you say. Linux has also entered into deal with Dell, HP and others as a start up campaign. You can see how hard Ubuntu has tried and the slow but gradual change it has brought. Suse being more powerful and versatile I bet will be a force to reckon in the near future. Just know for now that most servers are running on Linux and the client desktop OS will soon follow suite:)

A couple of years ago there was a case of someone buying a windows computer and saying he did not want windows. He eventually managed to get some money back for the unsused windows.
Anybody heard of similar cases lately?
Surely I should be able to say to the manufacturer:
‘I don’t do windows, so I only want the hardware without the software.’
Then there is also the ignorance of the sales staff. A guy recently bought the linux version of a major brand netbook from a large pc retail chain.
The sales guy said: ‘I’ll go and fetch the pc for you. By the way, we have a special on Norton Internet security at the moment. Would you like me to add it?’

He should have asked for it to be installed before he left the shop, that would have been very amusing :D.

For my clients up here in Canada, I just build the system specific to the needs. They are quite amazed when they don’t have to pay some $700 to $900 for windows and all the free software which in fact are stripped down versions on trial in many cases which are billed out at the full price of the software. Unfortunately, obtaining laptop systems without an operating system is not as easy to accomplish.

I have always built my own computers.

I try and stay away from cookie cutter company’s. The system I am on now I built over 5 years ago and it still runs great. I currently run 11.1 on it and for the most part it runs fine. Some of the desktop affects don’t work great but I normally turn those off most of the time anyway.

The point is with a custom built computer your not only spending less money but your also getting higher quality parts “most of the time” and you have a computer you can upgrade. I have always said that a custom built computer is more name brand then a name brand computer. Then again I only use good parts. ASUS, AMD Corsair, etc. And I stay clear of junk like FIC, ECS, etc.

I think there is truth to this, and so much could be said on the subject that it could easily be in its own thread.

My wife and I hand built our own computer in 2001. Its still running fine and we have upgraded memory, upgraded hard drives, upgraded the CD-burner, replaced the fans, and upgraded the graphic card, over the past 8 years. Its an athlon-1100 with 1GB RAM and a nVidia FX5200 AGP card. I use it as a sandbox PC and I currently have it running KDE-4.3.1 on different openSUSE versions (11.1 and 11.2 GM).

That experience taught us 3 things:

  • hand picking hardware ensures EASY Linux compatibilty - not just Linux compatibility, but EASY compatibilty. There IS a difference there.
  • the computer lasts longer as we know the “ins and outs” of it making maintenance less painful,
  • both my wife and I hate assembling our own PC :slight_smile:
    For 2 of the 3 destkops we purchased since, we have hand picked the parts, and paid the local PC shop to assemble the PC for us. They both run fine, and again they have EASY Linux compatibility. The third remaining PC (that we did not assemble ourselves) we obtained a bargain on via mail order, BUT I managed to research each and every component (motherboard (sound, ethernet … ) , graphics card, hard drive and cd/dvd drives ) prior to purchase to ensure compatiblity, mainly because the supplier made the information available.

For the 2 of the 3, we simply installed Linux (until my wife later purchased windoze to put on it). The 3rd came with Windoze but installing Linux was a breeze. An easy breeze. Again, research before hand pays dividends.

It has given me thought though … if PC suppliers were to offer PCs without an operating system, what sort of guarantee do they need to provide that their hardware will work with an operating system ?

Generally most brand name home computers have less scope to add extra components - eg they only have one pci slot, limited ram slots, etc.
Also most of them use their own BIOS versions, so bios upgrades are often difficult and usually have the least possible RAM to run the installed os.

Then again most home-users don’t realise that the cheapest way of getting a faster pc is often just by adding more ram, so they will keep the manufacturers happy by buying a new pc.
Like oldcpu, I also recycle:
My firewall is an old pentium 533 with 3 nics and a 2GB CF card for the hard drive (low power, so even the standard 150W supply is overkill!)
My server is my workstation of 10 years ago - a dual p3 833 with upgraded ram and hard drives.
The only relatively modern stuff I have is my present workstation that uses a dual opteron on an AM2 socket borad.
The only time you really need the extra horsepower is when you run the latest games (most of them seem to be in league with the hardware manufacturers with each upgrade/new version requiring better graphics and a faster pc!) or have a lot of number crunching to do or run many virtual machines.
Even an old system will probably be able to run linux with a window manager quite adeqautely for most home users.

In the early linux days, you either hand built your machine, knowing exactly what each item’s irq, com port, etc was so you could tweak the linux install for your system.
Now most of it is autodetected and linux probably does a better job of this than windows does now.

The last remark about guarantee is probably more like the truth:
If they supply the complete system, they can test it before it leaves and save themselves the cost of having qualified support staff to troubleshoot user problems.

ooopsss … small typo. :slight_smile: … I forgot my timemachine was broke. That should read " 11.1 and 11.2 milestone-x". :slight_smile:

I have the same issues, in my shop folks do not realize that you can order systems without (windows on them). i sell a lot of systems and install suse linux on them. i do not carry any other distro.the way i deal with this is to order systems with ubuntu, and then i change the distro to suse and usually they will work fine, and i can save most customers several hundred dollars on a system without windows.