I really do think that OpenSuSE 12.3 is the best in the OpenSuSE 12.x range. But that’s far not the best operating system. And, I should admit, this is not the honest operating system. It’s a cheater!
Posted in the incorrect forum, temporarily closing and will move to chit-chat in a few.
nntp users please donot post until after it’s moved.
Thread moved and re-opened for consumption.
> darkduck-com;2550417 Wrote:
>> I really do think that OpenSuSE 12.3 is the best in the OpenSuSE 12.x
>> range. But that’s far not the best operating system. And, I should
>> admit, this is not the honest operating system. It’s a cheater!
>>
>> ‘OpenSuSE 12.3 – the Cheater - Linux notes from DarkDuck’
>> (http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2013/04/opensuse-123-cheater.html)
You are welcome to rant however much you like. But you are mistaken, and
nwrickert is right on his comment on the link.
I will not even bother to say anything more.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
Am 24.04.2013 00:43, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> You are welcome to rant however much you like. But you are mistaken, and
> nwrickert is right on his comment on the link.
>
> I will not even bother to say anything more.
>
Agreed, one slight correction though, the packages shown in the first
run of yast software management are no updates (as the updates are
separated from the general software management in yast), what is shown
on the first run are the “recommends” and the user who does not want
them can simply unselect them.
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PC: oS 12.3 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.10.2 | GTX 650 Ti
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.3 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.10.2 | HD 3000
HannsBook: oS 12.3 x86_64 | SU4100@1.3GHz | 2GB | KDE 4.10.2 | GMA4500
There are so many things about that blog that I could pick apart that I am tired just thinking about it.
So right from the beginning I am confused as to exactly who wrote this article, here is part of the intro copied straight from the blog with no edit or shim sham.
That’s why I decided to check OpenSuSE 12.3 for myself.
If you hoped to see the full-blown review of this operating system, unfortunately I have to disappoint you. I shall simply send you to Dedoimedo’s article linked above.
So then follows a bad review of openSUSE where the user obviously does not understand how openSUSE or yast repos work. This person (which ever person wrote the article) then goes on to try and install “Adobe Flash” and can not understand why there is a license agreement to click on.
As far as I know Adobe Flash always has a license agreement on Every operating system. Well maybe this reviewer never installed Adobe Flash before. I guess installind java would bring the same ire.
So darkduck are you claiming this review for your own? Otherwise I would just say you were quoting some idiot that did not know what he was talking about.
YaST might have detected that translations were missing for Firefox and trying to install them. That package is being installed.
and why would one go for openSUSE if you don’t want openSUSE branding. Go for a distro which
Why would Fedora move to libsolv if the dependency resolution was faulty Features/DNF - FedoraProject
Hmm, yes and no. I agree with nwrickert’s comment that the review is absurd. It’s not a real review of openSUSE 12.3, just a rant about using the Live session for whatever purpose DarkDuck chooses, and he has jumped to the wrong conclusion. However, DarkDuck is only using “the Live session”, and doesn’t mention actually installing 12.3, so comments about applying updates post installation appear somewhat misplaced.
Some popular liveCD’s, possibly debian based, e.g. Knoppix, were designed for persistent live session use on any available PC, including features to make that possible and save configuration data between seesions. That was never really the case for openSUSE liveCD’s, their primary function being as installation media. The bootable live session includes enough software pre-installed to try openSUSE on the target hardware, before commencing with the installation process.
Yes, the recommended software preselected for installation, is part of the anticipated installation process. That has caught out a few users who didn’t complete their installation by visiting YaST. You can view the list and deselect items on the “Installation Summary” screen available from YaST Software Management (aka Install/Remove Software), via its menus. I have used the liveCD for a lengthy live session test, deselecting all recommended software before installing e.g. flash-player for streaming TV and video. However it is not intuitive, and it’s not obvious as to how a first-time openSUSE user would know that.
On 04/24/2013 12:26 AM, malcolmlewis wrote:
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> Thread moved and re-opened for consumption.
my opinion is the thread is NOT worth consuming.
a user unwilling to run update right after installing is not
experienced enough with openSUSE to be worth reading.
a reporter unable to recognize there is no such thing as “OpenSuSE”
is so sloppy in precision that there can be nothing reported which is
trustworthy.
a blogger who posts such untrustworthy and inexperienced OPINIONS
solely for the purpose of driving up the blog’s hit count in order
to SELL disks or ADVERTISING space should be BANNED from this forum…
a forum user who has contributed nothing but face slaps to this
community in all five (total) posts should be BANNED from this
forum…we just don’t need it.
at the very least, all URL references to the blog should be removed
from all posts…as a violation of the FAQ…no need to drive up the
blog’s hit count at our own expense.
review this reporter/bloger’s record here:
http://forums.opensuse.org/search.php?searchid=1340424
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I had a similar rant when I first tried openSUSE years ago. It should still be somewhere here on the forum but I don’t care to address it, that was in the past. On the one side, I generally wanted most of those updates anyway but my argument was isn’t that the user’s choice?
My last installation was via the DVD image (on a USB stick) and there was a Pattern for Restricted items (sorry, I cannot remember the exact Package name) which I will assume includes a lot of these peices (Adobe Flash was in there at minimum). Initially it was not selected.
If this is true, then for those that want more control of what is initially installed then use the DVD image (or Net Install), while the Live versions do more to install a capable system. I kinda understand it, which is separate from whether or not I agree with it, and am under no illusion that anything will change depending on my opinion (I don’t contribute enough or in the right place to warrant anybody to listen to me).
So I understand where the OP is coming from, which is largely in part due to being new to openSUSE. With time and use, it makes it clearer “why” openSUSE does it this way.
On 2013-04-24 14:46, dragonbite wrote:
> If this is true, then for those that want more control of what is
> initially installed then use the DVD image (or Net Install), while the
> Live versions do more to install a capable system.
Yes, the DVD is more configurable in what you install initially. The
live images install all that is on the live, because what it does is
basically copy the live to your hard disk.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
OK wait a sec guys. The blog is complaining about having to do updates after installing right? I saw another review that had the same complaint for Sabayon Linux. Oh, and the same is true with Windows, after install you gotta run updates. Clearly the user is living in a digital utopia, where new releases are so new they don’t need updating. That’s as much as I’m willing to comment on this.
I don’t know if it is just the updates, or if it is the updates + applications you may not have specified (e.g. Flash) or that the default (or “easy”) way doesn’t let you install something and ignore these updates (in his case, just to get Chromium installed ASAP, and then supposedly to run the updates later).
Now, if there is a way to install without having to pull down all of the updates at that moment (via zypper?) then that would bypass at least this limitation (though making it intuitive or “easy” to somebody not familiar with zypper or openSUSE in general is another story) and give him what he wants (is expecting… on a silver platter… with garnishes… 
)
There is always a way, it’s just a matter of knowing how.
I don’t believe so. Installing what? The action really starts with:
So, let’s start the Live session of OpenSuSE 12.3 [FONT=inherit ! important]KDE[/FONT]](OpenSuSE 12.3 – the Cheater - Linux notes from DarkDuck), run the Install/Remove Software application, which is located in the Computer section of the main menu.
It’s just a live session, with no attempt to install 12.3 from the liveCD. Then he runs YaST software management (application). He wants to install “Chromium”, but gets a page of recommended software to install, because that is what the liveCD/YaST does. And that is all he is crying about. Two previous posts covered the recommended software (for installation following the Live install that he hasn’t done).
I 'm beginning to think that you guys have not installed from the liveCD. 
If you want to install 12.3 from the live session, you click on the icon on the desktop to start the Installer. The system images are copied from the live media to the installed system partition on the HDD. After the first reboot you return to YaST and “Installation Summary” contains the list of recommended additional software for installation. It’s the stuff that doesn’t fit on the live media. You can deselect it all (not a good idea) or Accept.
If like the OP you only wish to run a Live session, and you want to install a package into the session running in memory, you can. However you will also get YaST’s list of recommended installation software, which you may not need for your live session. In that case the trick is to go to YaST’s Installation Summary and deselect all that software before you install your own choice of package(s).
Quite right. I also think this is where the OP gets confused. Just because it’s recommended, doesn’t mean you have to install it.
This whole article is absurd, those things are not chromium dependencies in opensuse. These are all things that would be installed the first time you update your system, regardless of whether you are installing chrome or not. I guarantee you if OP installed suse, ran zypper up, and THEN installed chromium he would not see all these seemingly inaccurate dependencies.
I think if the OP had not set off on such an aggressive tack we would have been more friendly. Ask a question if you don’t know. We are here as volunteers to assist as we can. By rubbishing our choice of Linux distro is not going to win you many favours…
Yes, you don’t have to install the recommended list. I once deleted the list, installed some packages I needed for my live session testing. Having completed that I went straight to installing openSUSE, forgetting I had removed the additional list. Revisited YaST expecting to complete the installation, but there was no list and I knew I needed some of the software. Even if I could remember the “known but missing” packages, the “unknown and missing” would be a problem, so I reinstalled completely from the LiveCD (no repair facility).
That additional software is really part of the install and should not be confused with applying system updates i.e. openSUSE patches. For me, those are always done after completing the additional installs.
It’s possible that DarkDuck, having ducked the full 12.3 installation process and review, has confused the recommended additions with the real “system updates”, in his effort to blog about his pet peeve with “YaST and approach to system updates”. Installing from DVD might be less confusing.