My Poor Geeko

Ok, so I’ve been using OpenSuSE Linux as my main OS since Vista came out. Before then I had dabbled with it (I think the earliest I’ve used was 7 something…) anyway my problem is that with OpenSuSE, as much as I love it, is becoming slower and more of a hassle to use.

At school the servers I maintain are Fedora, because that’s what our teacher uses. They are wicked fast and they are running 32-bit single core with about 2 GB of memory. (We can’t even get Windows on them XD) I know that by default Fedora uses GNOME, but with web surfing, scripting, and server running they’ve blown my quad core away.

I really don’t want to switch to that distro; given the “history” between RedHat and SuSE. However, if they continue at the rate they are going I will…

With all of that said I think that there are some problems on my side. I use KDE which as we all know is a resource hog. Another student who uses the sandbox…I mean Ubuntu has said that when he has Flash Player in FireFox it tends to lock up as well. I bet if I did some more research I could find a way to have scripts boot like rc.local in Fedora (and I don’t mean having to make an rcSERVICE script; I just put the thing in a folder and at boot it runs)

I really enjoy all the simplicity that YAST2 offers (dare I say it’s like a Control Panel?) I’ve also have enjoyed using KDE (well all the way up till 4.1 Plasma is OK, but Kicker is better) I saw that 11.3 has LXDE ,which I’ve had horrible luck with on Knoppix, but isn’t that bad. I don’t plan to jump boat right now, but I’m just wondering if I’m the only soul out there who is on the fence.

Well that’s nothing new, ever since flash 10 came out it has been buggy as heck, especially with nspluginwrapper. Right click seems to freeze it up almost every time. :smiley:
Of course the way around that (aside from using a VM) is to either use Gnash, which really appears to be really lacking in functionality, or run Windows FF under wine.

Tell him to use Debian instead, that will be faster than Fedora :wink:

KDE a resource hog?

Slightly higher requirements than Gnome but not in anyway a resource hog. If you want to experience KDE at its best then Gentoo is your answer, which is what I use and it flys :slight_smile:

Whats your system specs?

I installed FireFox with WINE and then tried to install flash ontop of that and its worse >.< should I try installing ‘Gnash’ in the Wine FireFox?

As a side note I don’t really use Flash for that much, just YouTube and Pandora…so I’m not to concerned if it can connect to my webcam or anything like that.

Although I don’t like Debian I am VERY supprised by how well it works. I have a Socket 7 machine that I was going to use as a printer server and of all of the distros I tried (SuSE, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Debian) Debian 4 went on there and just worked amazingly!

As far as specs go…

Processor: AMD Phenom 2 X4 940
Memory : 8 GB Dual Channel
Graphics : ATI Radeon HD 3300
HDD : 1 TB Seagate

It is way overkill for anything I could dare to use, but I don’t plan to replace my machine for a good long time.

I’ve never used Gentoo, I might want to look into them to replace the Fedora Box (now that I have most everything put together at school)

There is one other thing I was thinking of…and that was to try “Big Daddy” Slackware. I’ve used it once. Very powerful, but you need to know what you’re doing; so I probably won’t do that…

A good spec PC like yours should be nice and responsive, if you try Windows 7 that is how it will be.

I wish Opensuse was the same but it isnt. That is the biggest issue i have with opensuse, it feels sluggish. 11.3 has improved over 11.2 but it isnt good enough for my liking.

I am amused, really. I am coming from installing a 11.3 from the scratch on an old Acer Centrino M with 1 GB ram. So KDE is a resource hog? I think since I am still without change using 11.1 and KDE3.5, it will be quite credible if I tell you: it isn’t any more. And it is also not any more incomprehensible, although at least the default plasmoid icon design and names are not always…intuitive. But the thing is that I am coming from explaining the machine to the owner and working on 4.4 for about 1 hour, it seems quite to be at home. There may be things to be polished, kontakt and the akonadi port, and the stability of Plasma is not yet the same of 3.5.10 Xserver. So what? With a phenomII PC you should be able to run “whatsoever OS” lighting-fast. I get the feeling there is again a lot of FUD around in some of these considerations, I cannot otherwise come near to explain myself these statements. Maybe I could complain, I am using a 12 inch screen and once I tried 4.1 and had some problems…that made me simply wait. Nobody forces you to have the newest kernel, the newest hardware, the newest…

So @Fizzyfanta: yes Win 7 should run well on a phenomII (although it will run LESS well then Vista with SP2). And it will depend. Try running Opensuse for 1 year without reinstall, and Windows7,Vista,whatsoever. And THEN do a comparison. You might be quite surprised. With the obligatory anti-virus inbuilt break, the aging dlls and the tendency to clutter the registry there is a good deal to recommend MS.

Ah, yes the acer…was running winXP. And it was **** slow due to the 20 virus that he was bearing in his rotten code body.
When we criticize we should be at least a bit correct. And running 3.5 on 11.1, I have to admit that I am looking forward to install KDE 4. Not now but it is simply evident that it makes progress with every edition. And it is to the current state not slower anymore then KDE3, at least for what I was able to see.

@Sailorcire, Your problem might instead be another. It is called ATI and is now a chronic problem. Wonder why an industry that is on the server-market always the eternal challenger and makes a lot of money with cheap potent desktop processor is so reluctant to give valuable specs and some manpower for a working opensource driver.
But this is not a problem of KDE, Gnome, Linux or bloating… right? Neither is Adobe Flash a problem of OpenSUSE.

But then this is the soapbox… :stuck_out_tongue:

stakanov, opensuse doesnt have that same snappy feel that Windows 7 or Vista has.

Even after 1 year of using windows 7 or Vista, that snappy feel doesnt change. If you are struggling to grasp the concept of system response,

Try using Gentoo with KDE 4.4.4 and compare that to OpenSUSE and KDE 4.4.4

Gentoo on my PC is very snappy and responsive, on par with Windows 7 whereas opensuse just isnt.

Hum, why would I have a problem to grasp what system response is? Weired argument. In all cases, system responsiveness with the described hardware has necessarily to be a quite subjective impression. If not, I do not understand why even on my Core2Duo, Vista is outperformed clearly by OpenSUSE (same hardware, just switched another hard disk.
One thing may be right. On YOUR particular hardware configuration Windows 7 may appear to you snappier. I had this on some PCs too. On these, Mandriva outperformed neatly OpenSUSE. But the same was not true on another system with the same versions. So generalizing …I wouldn’t. And Windows Vista, at least from what I saw is all but snappy after one year, but of course, this depends of the user. PEPKAK, so if they install and un-install software often… And what about a heavy anti-virus like G-data? What would interest me is not generically hear about Gentoo, but what Kernel you did compare. The same? On the same system with the same graphic driver? This would be much more indicative about system responsiveness in relation to how well the distribution was set up. (An still, only if the system would be a default system, as provided, and then one has to see what you can do with it., what services it proposes to offer. Sure, DSL, for the sake of an example, is really fast, but the service provided isn’t a big thing. As usual we have a trade off.
All this however IMO does not say anything about the overall tendency of the distributions to get heavier or snappier or less.

What kernel does it have, which driver version, services running, at the end of the day all that doesnt matter.

What matters is the end result.

In my view every single opensuse release has been sluggish in comparision to other distributions and windows.

So, why you do use it? By a matter of logic, if EVERY release has been sluggish you are masochist then LOL (IRONIE)

I have very similar specs to that, except I have a first gen Phenom and a Nvidia 9500 GT and kde runs pretty fast for me, although I have the compositing and plasmoid junk disabled. :stuck_out_tongue:

[EDIT] I almost forgot what you said about gentoo and kde4 is correct though, but this is likely because you are compiling it from source and you are using optimizations for your processor. Couldn’t the same thing be done with a SRPM install on openSUSE though?[/EDIT]

I couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t find a board that I liked that had NVidia and AMD. If you (not to self promote) look at another thread that I started about ATI, you can see I’ve had troubles with putting a better driver on. With NVidia I’ve never had any problems…

With that said though…you’re right Flash isn’t a direct problem with OpenSuSE it is most definitely a problem with Fire Fox…which happens to be what I use on OpenSuSE. :stuck_out_tongue:

Konqueror has basically died. (and it annoyed the **** out of me with cookies and all the other security warnings)
I don’t trust Google to use Chrome.
I do use w3m, but that’s off topic.

It kinda leaves me stuck. I’m sure there are tons of other browsers like Epiphany, but they just don’t look as promising as those mentioned.

I don’t have a problem with VLC running flash. Does anyone know how to tie them together so FLVs get loaded with VLC instead of Adobe Flash Player?
I wonder how well that would work…especially considering if there is a button in there.

I know for a fact you can open them with Mplayer, I don’t know about VLC though.

And Chrome and Epiphany are very similar since they both use Webkit, but feature wise Epiphany is kind of lacking. And Konqueror’s engine is what Webkit is forked from. lol!