Has anyone read the Mplayer and Phoronix news relating to Mplayer being able to play Bluray disks without the need to ripping them first?
My question is, has anyone been successfull in using the Doom9 forum patch for Mplayer with openSUSE 11.2?
Then could you please help me by providing a howto please? :shame:
It would be great to use my bluray player with openSUSE.
allianux wrote:
> Has anyone read the ‘Mplayer’
> (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html) and ‘Phoronix news’
> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcwMQ) relating to
> Mplayer being able to play Bluray disks without the need to ripping them
> first?
>
> My question is, has anyone been successfull in using the ‘Doom9 forum
> patch’ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1327197) for Mplayer
> with openSUSE 11.2?
>
> Then could you please help me by providing a howto please? :shame:
> It would be great to use my bluray player with openSUSE.
Not sure… but in general, when it comes to Linux, the ability
to rip means you can play. The only way I know to rip them is
by using SlySoft under Windows. Are you saying you know how to
rip bluray under Linux?
With that said, you CAN use bluray for data under Linux. Although,
last time I wrote to mine I had to use Nero for Linux because
k3b and friends didn’t have support yet.
Hi, perhaps my post was not clear? Appologies for that.
The Doom9 patch provides a bluray lib which enables mplayer to read commercially produced bluray movies. It’s the bluray version of libdvdcss.
It is still very much in developement but I am keen to give it a go but do not know how to install the patch which is provided on the Doom9 forum.
N one has ever heard from XYZ123 again, and when I asked him to post sources on mplayer list (I’m froggy1 on doom9 btw), he disappeared shorly after. That said, there are a few guys who are working on a new libbluray with one of the intentions to submit a massive patch to mplayer. I’m not allowed to say more than this since they want to be anonymous and asked everyone who’s invloved with or just follows the development process not to tell much to others.
There are a few ways how you can play BD on Linux with mplayer and doom9 has threads about this - do a search.
About the patch, it’s an ugly hack and the libs he provides only work on 32bit systems and he didn’t gave away the sources so others can compile on 64bit systems. It also does not work on discs with BD+
Thanks for that reply, much appreciated :)Considering I’m on a 64bit system it may be better for me to wait this out and keep :X until a more mature patch is released.
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 14:26 +0000, allianux wrote:
> Thanks for that reply, much appreciated :)Considering I’m on a 64bit
> system it may be better for me to wait this out and keep :X until a more
> mature patch is released.
>
>
And as microchip hinted, my guess is that it only worked
for the very FIRST bluray discs. I’m standing by my
understanding that you pretty much can’t play bluray
commercial movies on Linux today.
People are SOOOO owned. Pretty much willing to
sell their souls at the drop of a hat now.
Gotta have Blu-ray, gotta have iphone… no… I
don’t care if I’m giving away all of my privacy,
rights or otherwise… very sad…
you can play commercial BDs on linux right now, it just involves more work like dumping the content from disc and playing it from there. There are java tools over at doom9 which allow you to extract keys, dump to disk and such and people use them on linux… It’s not an optimal solution right now and that’s why a few guys got together and started a new C-only bluray library so people can play their perfectly legally bought BD discs on Linux. The previous bluray library was written in C++ (most mplayer/ffmpeg devs dislike linking to C++ libs) and it has been abandoned for some time now so there really was/is a need for a new one. The previous lib was also incomplete and didn’t had BD+ support at all, something the guys of the new lib are planning to add.
That said, this whole bluray situation is EXACTLY the same as the one back in the days with DVD, where people needed to go to great lengths just so they can play their perfectly legally bought DVDs. Luckily, DVDJon started it all and now playing DVDs is a no issue. These bluray guys are trying to do exactly the same, but for BD… talking about history repeating itself 
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 18:46 +0000, microchip8 wrote:
> you can play commercial BDs on linux right now, it just involves more
> work like dumping the content from disc and playing it from there. There
> are java tools over at doom9 which allow you to extract keys, dump to
> disk and such and people use them on linux… It’s not an optimal
> solution right now and that’s why a few guys got together and started a
> new C-only bluray library so people can play their perfectly legally
> bought BD discs on Linux. The previous bluray library was written in C++
> (most mplayer/ffmpeg devs dislike linking to C++ libs) and it has been
> abandoned for some time now so there really was/is a need for a new one
AFAIK, just like with DVDs, owning the media does NOT give you the
right to watch it on Linux… OSS or otherwise.
>
> That said, this whole bluray situation is EXACTLY the same as the one
> back in the days with DVD, where people needed to go to great lengths
> just so they can play their perfectly legally bought DVDs. Luckily,
> DVDJon started it all and now playing DVDs is a no issue. These bluray
> guys are trying to do exactly the same, but for BD… talking about
> history repeating itself
Again, apart from Slysoft on the Windows side… I think we’re
quite a ways off… even so, just like with Slysoft, it requires
constant modification to keep up with the new BD variants.
So… history isn’t quite the same. With DVDs it was a lot easier.
Blu-ray is inherently evil… and even it temporarily solved for
today… tomorrow we’re back at square one again.
So if owning the media does not give you right to watch it, why buy it then, since you can’t watch it anyways due to not having the rights? Or did you ment something else and I misunderstood?
Actually, it is exactly the same as it was with DVDs. Only difference is that now the prevention to decrypt BD is much stronger (better encryption and such). Originally, DVD used CSS for encryption which was pretty weak and easy to circumvent, then new encryption schemens were invented and used on newer titles, like the ARccOS encryption which most new titles have. There’s a newer one in works for DVDs by a German company…
microchip8 wrote:
> So if owning the media does not give you right to watch it, why buy it
> then, since you can’t watch it anyways due to not having the rights? Or
> did you ment something else and I misunderstood?
We live in a messed up world (well… in particular in the USA).
Owning does not give you rights, but thanks to folks like DVD
Jon… we CAN… however using decss does mean using code that
violates FEDERAL LAW.
“Hey Chris, whatya in for?”
“Watching DVDs under Linux.”
“Man… that’s tough…”
>
>
> Actually, it is exactly the same as it was with DVDs. Only difference
> is that now the prevention to decrypt BD is much stronger (better
> encryption and such). Originally, DVD used CSS for encryption which was
> pretty weak and easy to circumvent, then new encryption schemens were
> invented and used on newer titles, like the ARccOS encryption which most
> new titles have. There’s a newer one in works for DVDs by a German
> company…
Really? You mean libdvdcss does more than uses decss? I didn’t
know that. hmmm…
All I know is that I can rip DVDs, and AFAIK, while you might rip
the very earliest Blu-rays using doom9, etc, the only thing I’ve
seen work on newer stuff is the Slysoft product.