Just to place on record that oldcpu has had an argument with me over his ‘howto’ and has apparently been authorised by the other mods to moderate my posts in that argument.
OK, if that is how the mods wish to play it, they can do so. But it does tend to detract from the integrity of this forum if mods will moderate the comments of people they are actively debating with.
You are … who exactly, again?
I lost reputation points for my post above. I stick with what I say and I would rather have integrity than reputation points.
NigmaToolin. A user profile. Who are you?
Apparently my sarcasm was lost to you.
I’d say Oldcpu is most likely the most coolheaded administrator I’ve ever seen in a Linux forum and if he decides to change / edit / comment / debate something in his (or other peoples posts) it’s done for a good reason.
You on the other hand have a handful of posts and most of them seem to be rather argumentative.
I already know who you are… 
see pic below
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It is not the best way of making a point in a heated situation. Your point?
I’d say Oldcpu is most likely the most coolheaded administrator I’ve ever seen in a Linux forum and if he decides to change / edit / comment / debate something in his (or other peoples posts) it’s done for a good reason.
You on the other hand have a handful of posts and most of them seem to be rather argumentative.
Naturally as I only have a handful of posts and I have taken on one issue, what you perceive is not surprising.
It is still in my opinion, totally out of order for a moderator to moderate in his own argument. And I do find him to be thin skinned, which is the root of the problem.
NigmaToolin wrote:
> Just to place on record that oldcpu has had an argument with me over his
> ‘howto’ and has apparently been authorised by the other mods to moderate
> my posts in that argument.
>
> OK, if that is how the mods wish to play it, they can do so. But it
> does tend to detract from the integrity of this forum if mods will
> moderate the comments of people they are actively debating with.
>
>
Please show me where oldcpu has performed any moderation in that thread.
I have read through the whole thing and do not even see an edit to a
post except for 1 at 2:39 today where oldcpu added a link to the post in
the Read-Only Howto section. Where has any of your posts been changed?
An added bonus is that post edits are only allowed for the first 10
minutes from post creation since after that the post passes through to
NNTP. You can pull up any client and match posts word for word if you
think something might be changed.
Apologies 69_rs_ss, but I am “sort” of guilty as charged. 
… that is I did moderate a post on the web site (but not the NNTP side) of the thread. There was no NNTP moderation, so NNTP users did not see the moderation, but web users will not see the post I moderated.
This PM from oldcpu, titled “Post was moderated”.
*I have already chatted with my fellow mods and admins on this thread. I have the go ahead to moderate your posts.
Any further non-technical posts of yours on this thread will be moderated.*
This post taken down:
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
So to make it clear to anyone reading this thread:
If you have specific edits for improvements, or corrections, please post them here, and they will be reviewed and considered. Generalities, such as what has come from NigmaToolin will not.
And I will take moderator action on any more insults.
You would be out of order to take moderator action in an argument to which you are a party. Your approach is thin skinned and oversensitive.
I do think it is arrogant of you to characterise the whole of my input as generalities. Ban me if you must, but you are giving as good as you have got.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
Maybe while you are at it, you could also read the links.
You did not post the links to start with. Nor does your ‘howto’ take into account any facet of the criticisms arising from the use of dd. Perhaps if you had been a little more open to your earlier critics, you would not be here, potentially about to take action which would compromise you as a moderator.
Think carefully and act rationally here, you could hurt yourself.
*
Good grief, I posted a reply to that, showing the post removed and the PM announcing it and now that has gone too! The moderation here really lacks integrity.
Yikes!
Talk about OTT.
Bit of a storm in a tea cup.
I just want to add my $0.02 here to this discussion. I’d like to encourage all participants to read the rules of conduct included here: Legal - openSUSE which specifically state that defamatory and derogatory remarks are not wanted nor allowed in our forums. These forums are a place to exchange ideas in a friendly manner. There will always be disagreements and discussions about those disagreements are usually on a higher level than those I see in this case.
As a forum administrator, I have full confidence and trust in our forum staff, specifically oldcpu in this case, and they have my full support to moderate any message, thread, or user they see as not adhering to the rules of conduct whether or not they are personally involved in the thread.
That said, can I encourage you, NigmaToolin, to return to discussion of your case based on technical merits only and keep it friendly? I always hate to see someone that is obviously involved in openSUSE and has something to contribute to these forums censured or banned because of non-adherance to the rules of conduct.
Thanks
As a forum administrator, I have full confidence and trust in our forum staff, specifically oldcpu in this case
Ditto - always ready to help
> There was no NNTP moderation, so NNTP users did not see the
> moderation, but web users will not see the post I moderated.
moderating and editing are not the same words nor do they mean the
same thing, even here…
what do YOU mean when you say you “moderated” the web site posts?
I feel I have received hostility and derogatory remarks from oldcpu. But I was not going to make a big thing of it until you start brining it up. One of the claimed insults was to say that he was a young man…
There will always be disagreements and discussions about those disagreements are usually on a higher level than those I see in this case.
As a forum administrator, I have full confidence and trust in our forum staff, specifically oldcpu in this case, and they have my full support to moderate any message, thread, or user they see as not adhering to the rules of conduct whether or not they are personally involved in the thread.
It detracts from the integrity of the site, it detracts from the integrity of the collection of howto’s if a mod will moderate his opponents in an argument over the document that mod is putting forward. Another mod should oversee. You should jump in and do it, if need be. It is not your confidence which is in question, it is mine, both as a party to the thread in question as as an otherwise disinvolved reader of any howto which might have been in dispute. But obviously, you don’t see that.
That said, can I encourage you, NigmaToolin, to return to discussion of your case based on technical merits only and keep it friendly? I always hate to see someone that is obviously involved in openSUSE and has something to contribute to these forums censured or banned because of non-adherance to the rules of conduct.
I am more likely to walk away because you cannot see that I feel your mod is at fault here to some degree and you are leaving him to mod a person he is arguing with over a document he is putting up. You are leaving him to handle a difficult situation over something about which he is going to be least objective.
2 points you dwell on, that I’m sure Lee (oldcpu) had no consideration of:
opponents
argument
Which nicely puts the blame on me, because I accurately put names to relevant objects in the situation?
Aren’t you quite the little critter, only slightly over 50 posts and you’re already well on your way to dictate the rules here.
personWhoSays [executioner != judge != jury != counselForTheProsecution] is a critter?
Nicely undermines the point about insults. Mods?
