ref:
http://forums.opensuse.org/development/programming-scripting/439123-compiling-kaffeine-source-make-fails.html#post2167497
wherein the poster writes in the third sentence: “…when I run “make”
it fails with the following messages:” and in the http side there are
several lines following of errors…but, in the nntp side the message
is completely blank…
who is eating the bits, and why?
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Hi
I would guess it’s the gateway timing and the OP editing/adding the
text after it was posted.
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does the gateway transmit messages to the nntp side prior to the http
poster pressing “send”? oh, i guess s/he hit “send” and THEN added the
error messages after the gateway sent…
how rude.
all posters, no matter the medium of transport should be able to press
“send” only once.
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Hi
That’s what I guess happened. I use the preview, but it’s easy to press
submit as well…
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i wonder how much work it would take to change the buttons to read,
(and their actions to conform to):
“Preview & Edit prior to send.” and “Send (no edit possible)”
i mean like: how many folks have an email client which doesn’t send
when you push that, or (say) a mobile phone with an “Hang up” button
which really doesn’t…
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How many members of forums.opensuse.org use nntp? I don’t think “regular” users should suffer from the disadvantages of a protocol used by a minority. Since mistakes and the like are common, the option to edit a post is common too.
gropiuskalle adjusted his/her AFDB on Fri 21 May 2010 16:46 to write:
>
> How many members of forums.opensuse.org use nntp? I don’t think
> “regular” users should suffer from the disadvantages of a protocol used
> by a minority. Since mistakes and the like are common, the option to
> edit a post is common too.
>
>
I think you will find that there are quite a few of us still lurking here on
nntp.
Us old f^rts find it a lot quicker to monitor all the groups in one app with
no shuffling back and forward.
But there again YMMV.
HTH
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Mark
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baskitcaise wrote:
> gropiuskalle adjusted his/her AFDB on Fri 21 May 2010 16:46 to write:
>
>> How many members of forums.opensuse.org use nntp? I don’t think
>> “regular” users
who is to decide the regular vs the irregular users?
>> Since mistakes and the like are common, the option to
>> edit a post is common too.
there is an edit button and a send button–why would anyone need
peverth the second to also edit…i mean try to make a responsible
decision of WHICH button to push, once in a while…
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I do realize there are lots of nntp-users here and I never meant to call them “irregular” or suggested to disable nntp support. But it seems pretty unlikely to me that most more members use nntp instead of visiting the forum via a browser, so I suggest not to limit the options for members who use a forum the most common way.
Now, for those who use a browser, an option to edit a post can be crucial - often enough I have to edit a post because something I forgot jumps into my mind; the preview button won’t help then.
I visit some other Linux-forums as well, all of them offer unlimited options to edit a post, this never caused problems.
nntp users do know about the limits of their favoured protocol, they could bypass them by using a browser instead. If they do not, they have to live with the disadvantages, which are not caused by forum software or users hitting wrong buttons, but by the nntp protocol. Don’t forget nntp was created for newsgroups, not for a webforum.
Edit: Where I come from (mostly german boards) it is even some kind of a rule to edit a post (even days later) instead of creating follow ups. This in my opinion makes a thread much easier to read.
Now, for those who use a browser, an option to edit a post can be crucial - often enough I have to edit a post because something I forgot jumps into my mind; the preview button won’t help then.
I visit some other Linux-forums as well, all of them offer unlimited options to edit a post, this never caused problems.
nntp users do know about the limits of their favoured protocol, they could bypass them by using a browser instead. If they do not, they have to live with the disadvantages, which are not caused by forum software or users hitting wrong buttons, but by the nntp protocol. Don’t forget nntp was created for newsgroups, not for a webforum.
I have to agree with gropiuskalle here. I often end up having to edit with additional info. Thats why I like the functionality that the browser interface provides.
On Sat, 22 May 2010 01:16:01 +0000, deano ferrari wrote:
Guys, this discussion has been had several times up here, and for the
time being, the NNTP interface is staying. There’s a 10-minute cycle on
which posts are fed through the gateway, which allows for an edit window.
Continuing to rehash the discussion isn’t likely to change the decision.
Point of fact, we have contributors (for example in the Studio forum) who
access with NNTP who are actually tied into the Studio system. All of
the arguments have been made already (and I haven’t seen a new one in
this discussion).
Let’s move on.
Jim
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see also
“If you play with anything long enough, it will eventually break” – also from Murphy’s law
Web interface and nntp are both used by our community and to satisfy both being able to continue, I don’t see discussing limits on one type over the other as even worth discussing IMHO.