Hi all =)
I just downloaded and installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my HP chromebook 14, which installs and runs perfectly (once updated with the kernel of the day, otherwise it freezes during shutdown).
I choose not to install the “misc proprietary packages” and didn’t add any online repositories during the installation process.
First I was surprised the was no further indication of what those packages contains… for example I could be fine with mp3 patented codecs, but probably not so fine with Flash.
Anyway with my further surprise after updating the system with “sudo zypper dup” which apparently is the suggested method (and which I did before installing a new kernel), I notice the it automatically decided to download and install flash-player and flash-player-gnome… and in few words: wtf!?!
flash-player is part of the standard distribution, in the non-oss repo that’s added by default (it is no 3rd party repo, but an “official” one which contains the non-OSS stuff that openSUSE can legally ship).
If you don’t want any non-OSS stuff, you’d have to remove the non-oss repo (in YaST->Software Repositories or with “zypper rr”).
If you just don’t want flash-player, taboo/lock it. You should uninstall pullin-flashplayer (and probably lock it) as well, as this is part of the standard installation (included in the OSS repo), and it’s purpose is to pull in flash-player afterwards, when the non-oss repo has been added.
No idea about the option to install “misc proprietary packages” that you mention though. It’s been a while since I have done a fresh installation, and I don’t remember seeing that at all.
Imho that “misc. proprietay packages” should absolutely give more info about their content (since it’s linux!)… everything else in the installation process is much detailed and explained.
I can’t then justify the behaviour of automatically download the Adobe flash stuff, it should left to the user, especially when it’s critical/unsecure software (is not flash dying by the way?).
Let’s forget in the end the size of the install iso (4+GB).
I know it’s tumbleweed and not a milestone but stay sure you’ll have more and more people interesting in this stable and after all well crafted rolling release… still easy to use (the alternatives are arch/gentoo/debian-testing).
Again, I have no idea what you mean with that. I haven’t done a fresh install for months, and that only for testing.
But if you think something should be improved/changed in the installer, better discuss that on the opensuse-factory@opensuse.org mailinglist or even file a bug report at http://bugzilla.opensuse.org (same username/password as here).
It is very unlikely that the responsible developers will read it here.
I can’t then justify the behaviour of automatically download the Adobe flash stuff, it should left to the user, especially when it’s critical/unsecure software (is not flash dying by the way?).
It is not downloaded autamatically. It is automatically selected for installation, which you can override.
And the non-oss stuff is in its own repo for a reason. So again, if you don’t want non-oss stuff on your machine, disable/remove the non-oss repo.
But I don’t think most users would agree with you, so I think it’s better to add it by default.
Especially non-experienced users will ask why their web pages don’t work in openSUSE…
When Flash has died, it will be completely removed from the distribution. But at the moment it still gets security updates by Adobe.
Let’s forget in the end the size of the install iso (4+GB).
So?
This doesn’t change the fact that flash-player and gstreamer-plugins-mp3 (and some others) cannot be included because they are non-oss.
And most users do want (or need) it, so it is recommended for installation.
On 04/04/2015 12:46 AM, suseisnotdebian wrote:
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> Imho that “misc. proprietay packages” that should give more info about
> their content… everything else in the installation process is much
> detailed and explained.
> I can’t then justify the behaviour of automatically download the Adobe
> flash stuff, it should left to the user, especially when it’s
> critical/unsecure software (is not flash dying by the way?).
> Let’s forget in the end the size of the install iso (4+GB).
> I know it’s tumbleweed and not a milestone but stay sure you’ll have
> more and more people interesting in this stable and after all well
> crafted rolling release… still easy to use (the alternatives are
> arch/gentoo/debian-testing).
>
> Thanks for any further comment
>
>
suseisnotdebian
