It is not announced yet but after updating to download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss
I get
OS: Linux 2.6.37-rc5-12-default i686
Current user: dale@linux-szdu.site
System: openSUSE 11.4 Milestone 5 of 6 (i586)
KDE: 4.5.85 (4.6 Beta2)
In Index of /factory/iso I note there is a build 0957 for the liveCDs. But one never knows (until announcement, or close to) as to which version will be declared as the ‘baseline’ milestone version.
The M4 build 0908 is still the selection download on the development download site (for the DVD download).
On 12/15/2010 07:06 AM, oldcpu wrote:
>
> In ‘Index of /factory/iso’ (http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/) I
> note there is a build 0957 for the liveCDs. But one never knows (until
> announcement, or close to) as to which version will be declared as the
> ‘baseline’ milestone version.
>
> The M4 build 0908 is still the selection download on the development
> download site (for the DVD download).
In a message on the openSUSE Factory, Stephan Kulow said
"Even though there are some glitches in Factory, I decided that
Build 957 is good enough to wear the milestone label.
The issues I’m aware of:
- the kernel panics Jeff and co are debugging
- inkscape did not build and is now uninstallable
- kde games are not installable
- artwork is now a mixture of 11.3 and 11.4 (actually
something I wanted to have, I’m just mentioning it here
so that people do not file bugs right away
- some kde plasma crash we may need to prepare an update for
- XFCE is pretty much uninstallable
- mozilla 4.0 is pretty raw - as is KDE 4.6
So all in all I’m very happy the release is in 2011 not now, but
for a milestone a rather usable release (and it’s already in factory-tested
afaik)."
Thus, Build 0957 is M5. It will take a while to update the download page and to
propagate to the mirrors, but when it happens, it will have the same content.
My plan is to switch to 11.4 for daily use, as soon as k3b will run. I have not
tested 0957 yet.
I updated from the factory repo. Seems to be ok so far except that the icons in my panel no longer launch the apps they’re associated with. I tried deleting them and adding them again but that didn’t help.
All the apps launch fine from the main menu.
Edit: Seems to be a permissions problem. All the app icons in the panel are owned by root even when I’m logged in as normal user.
Some 11.4 M5 experiences :
Athlon-1100: I booted the 32-bit openSUSE-11.4 Build-0957 (Milestone5) KDE liveCD on my Sandbox PC, (which is a 32-bit AMD Athlon-1100 w/1GB RAM (MSI KT3 Ultra motherboard) w/AGP nVidia GeForce FX5200 graphics [age 9+ years]
… It booted OK with the nouveau driver to 1680x1050 resolution. Not the top resolution for the graphic card/monitor combination, but close. Wired ethernet (internet) worked. Sound worked (this PC has 2 audio devices). There are clearly some problems with dragging icons to the KDE desktop that need be fixed. I plan to later install the Milestone5 LXDE to this PC’s desktop.
http://thumbnails37.imagebam.com/11107/cc5089111068168.jpg](http://www.imagebam.com/image/cc5089111068168)
Some hardware details of this PC:
00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Ensoniq 5880B [AudioPCI] [1274:5880] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Ensoniq Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI128 [1274:2000]
Kernel driver in use: ENS1371
00:08.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139]
Kernel driver in use: 8139too
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 40)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device [1462:4720]
Kernel driver in use: VIA 82xx Audio
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] [10de:0322] (rev a1)
Kernel driver in use: nouveau
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Intel Core i7 920: I booted the 64-bit openSUSE-11.4 Build-0957 (Milestone5) KDE liveCD on my main PC, an Intel Core i7. This is a 64-bit Intel Core i7 920 w/6GB RAM (Asus P6T Deluxe V2 motherboard) w/ PCI-e nVidia GeForce GTX260 graphics [age-18 months]
It booted OK with the nouveau driver to the proper 1920x1200 resolution. Wired ethernet (internet) worked. Sound did not intially work, and I had to go thru some hoops to get it working. And while I got it working, the mixer controls were lacking. It looks to me like KDE has problems with sound on this hardware. Also, as seen on my Sandbox PC, there are some problems with dragging icons to the KDE desktop that need be fixed.
http://thumbnails25.imagebam.com/11107/ee00be111068174.jpg](http://www.imagebam.com/image/ee00be111068174)
Some hardware details on this PC:
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:3a3e]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:82ea]
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT200 [GeForce GTX 260] [10de:05e2] (rev a1)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:82cf]
Kernel driver in use: nouveau
04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4364] (rev 12)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:81f8]
Kernel driver in use: sky2
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old HP NC4010 notebook - I booted the 32-bit openSUSE-11.4 Build-0957 (Milestone5) GNOME liveCD to our Linux Users Group (LUG) NC4010 laptop.
This laptop is a relatively ancient HP Compaq NC4010 notebook, with 1.6 GHz CPU (Intel Pentium M Processor 725), 500MB RAM and 4xAGP Radeon IGP 350M [1002:4337] graphic hardware. It has a 12.1-inch TFT XGA display, where the specs note it is capable up to 1024x768.
It booted OK with the radeon driver to 1024x768 resolution. Wireless worked and as is typical for Gnome, was VERY easy to setup. I ran out of test time, and did not get to test sound. I plan to later install Milestone5 LXDE destkop on this PC. Some hardware details on this PC
00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device [10b9:5451] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Device [0e11:005a]
Kernel driver in use: ALI 5451
00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Device [0e11:00e6]
Kernel driver in use: ath5k
00:13.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:165d] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Device [0e11:005a]
Kernel driver in use: tg3
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M [1002:4337]
Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Device [0e11:005a]
Kernel driver in use: radeon
My experience with M% so far.
No show stoppers…it has worked great for me i’m also running Firefox 4 b8 and it is FAST!!!
When installing packages from OBS 1-click it does not work…it opens 2 windows and it hangs…I’m going to open a bug report.
This is my my hardware:
SUSE Paste
I’m looking forward to 11.4 
Cheers!
etech97
Well hopefully I can install and actually test M5 this time.Tried 2 separate M4 downloads, both GNOME, followed the usual dd_rescue routine for live USB respectively and the thing won’t pass install GRUB at installation.
Maybe next time, as part of the installation setup, but BEFORE the install to the hard drive starts, you can pull out your digital camera, and take pix of the detailed GRUB menu configurations. Then you post to a pix share site the images, so others can understand better what is happening to your grub setup. If you are given the option for a ‘automatic setup’ or not, do NOT choose the ‘automatic’ setup, as that will give you more options (I can’t recall if the liveCD has such a selection, as I typically install from DVD which DOES have such an option).
On Wednesday 15 Dec 2010 12:36, dale14846 scribbled:
>
> It is not announced yet but after updating to
> download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss
> I get
> OS: Linux 2.6.37-rc5-12-default i686
> Current user: dale@linux-szdu.site
> System: openSUSE 11.4 Milestone 5 of 6 (i586)
> KDE: 4.5.85 (4.6 Beta2)
>
>
Tried updating from M4 and YAST found 751 modules to update. After a couple
of hours or more, all bar 4 were loaded. The 4 wouldn’t load because the
repo wasn’t available. The repo was available so I assume that the
particular location originally selected was offline.
The install failed because of the 4 missing modules. YAST suggested I start
YAST again and have another go.
I tried again and YAST pointed out there were 4 missing rpm’s from the
previous install and so downloaded and installed them. Sadly, it ignored the
other 747 it had already downloaded.
I tried again, searching for new updates. This time it decided to download
the 747 it already had. After a while, it complained that there was no space
left - I wonder why that was - and asked if I wanted to continue. I decided
not to.
Looks like I’ll have to wait and do a new install for M5.
I wonder where the 747 rpm’s were stored. I couldn’t see them but I assume
they must be hidden somewhere.
–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Try rpmdb --rebuilddb
when that is finished zypper up
No wait for M5 software.opensuse.org: Download openSUSE 11.4 Milestone 5 of 6
Is there any chance 11.4 will work with the 11.3 kernel (2.6.34 )?
Upto 2.6.37 rc 4 all was okay with this kernel, it finally fixed the display port issues for sony vaio z laptops. Unfortunately patch 239581 has been reverted and therefore I don’t have graphics anymore since rc5 
Don’t know who is the slow part -but- I suspect it is KDE4. IF the speed can not be improved I can’t see any Windows, or other users, moving over to openSuSE Linux 11.4 M5 version. I have a 3.2Ghz dual core machine and it crawls in comparison to openSuSE 11.3. Also I could not load up my VMware. Once again it could not find the header files. Whether it is VMware’s fault or openSuSE’s doesn’t really matter. The two should get together, like they were in the past, and make it simple to set things up. The operation of multiple systems via VMware inside Linux is one of the biggest reasons I use Linux. SuSE in the past was the easiest to use. Lately, mainly with this 4.x stuff, SuSE has not been a good choice. Is there a list of the “benefits” somewhere that we are to experience with this new Plasma 4.x desktop. So far it has been a big problem. I don’t mean to, or want to, cause a War on this but would like to see some info on the reasons and concepts of this new user interface.
Thanks to all those who have worked on this so hard… I really do appreciate it,
Chuck
IMHO if a windows user wants to use windows, they should stay with a direct boot to windows.
I use Virtual Box to run WinXP so that I can run custom software (provided by our office that only runs in Windows) that gives me access to data streamed from the the place where I work, where when I am ‘on call’ I need to access that data in real time. I also use Virtual Box for MS-Office (as I need 100% compatibility with MS-Office produced documents). Thats all. It works well, and I do not have performance problems with Virtual Box for what I do. This is true for openSUSE-11.1 (KDE3), 11.2 (KDE4) and 11.3 PCs (KDE4). I can’t speak for vmware as I don’t use it, but I would be surprised if it can not be configured to work with openSUSE, no matter what desktop is chosen.
My wife tried Virtual Box in openSUSE (running winXP) and she was unhappy.
Now before she did this, I advised her if she wanted to use windows she should stick with windows direct install and NOT use Linux with windows running in Virtual Box. But she wanted to try the Linux route. So she ignored my warning. She installed Linux. She complained Windows ran slow in Virtual Box. I had her demo to me the problem. MS-Office ran fine. But adobe acrobat was slower, as were some web sites when she was surfing with firefox under Windows in a Virtual Box. Why surf with firefox in WinXP inside Linux. Why not surf with firefox direct in Linux ? …
The problem boiled down to the fact that she wanted the same performance in a Virtual session that she could get with a direct install. Well thats not going to happen, ever (IMHO).
I guess what I am saying is I suspect this problem you have encountered could be a configuration specific to your approach. Which likely is NOT your fault, but more likely that the setup is NOT as user friendly as it should be. But assertions that it is KDE4 that is the problem, or that it is recent openSUSE that is the problem are in my view, not entirely on the money (and I say that as polite as I can, in an effort to extend a conciliatory hand, as my views are actually much stronger on this toward those who can’t get this to work). I hope that view of mine is not controversial. Note I do not dispute the view of those who think this could all be more user friendly.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:36:01 +0530, chucktr
<chucktr@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> Is there a list of the “benefits” somewhere that we
> are to experience with this new Plasma 4.x desktop. So far it has been
> a big problem. I don’t mean to, or want to, cause a War on this but
> would like to see some info on the reasons and concepts of this new user
> interface.
there has been plenty said (& written) about the pros & cons of KDE4. i
doubt it’s necessary to repeat a large part of that; at least i can’t
think of any new arguments for or against the way KDE devs have chosen to
go. some people try to maintain KDE 3 in the openSUSE environment, others
created a fork called ‘Trinity’ (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/).
i don’t know how these projects are doing because i happen to be quite
happy with the present state and apparent future direction KDE is taking.
you’ll find large discussions about this on this forum and many other
places (->google).
–
phani.
On Thursday 16 Dec 2010 16:06, dale14846 scribbled:
> Try rpmdb --rebuilddb
> when that is finished zypper up
I’d forgotten that one. I’ve now kept a copy somewhere safe. Let’s hope I
remember where “somewhere safe” is the next time I need it.
Unfortunately it didn’t work this time. Still loads of downloaded rpms
hiding somewhere and taking loads of space so YAST couldn’t complete.
>
> No wait for M5 ‘software.opensuse.org: Download openSUSE 11.4 Milestone
> 5 of 6’ (http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en)
Successful download and clean install. Still unusable due to Nepomuk and
Kdepim so here I am back at 11.3 - after having performed my usual temporary
back-off of Java 1.6 (IcedTea) release b20 to b17 to get Firefox working
again.
–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Don’t forget to write bug reports, time and resources permitting. There is guidance here: openSUSE:Submitting bug reports - openSUSE
On Friday 17 Dec 2010 08:36, oldcpu scribbled:
>
> Cloddy;2267013 Wrote:
>> Successful download and clean install. Still unusable due to …
>
> Don’t forget to write bug reports, time and resources permitting.
> There is guidance here: ‘openSUSE:Submitting bug reports - openSUSE’
> (http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_a_Bug)
>
>
Bug reports written a while ago. Time to add a bit more though.
A reminder doesn’t go amiss with me, considering that yesterday I posted a
few cards with no stamps! Soon as I popped them in the letterbox, the
horrible truth dawned.
–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Reminds me of the time I mailed a dozen letters with the stamp on the left corner of the envelope instead of the right corner of the envelope. 
When I was younger, much younger, we had a trick, adressed the letter to ourselves, wrote the receiving adress as the sending adress at the back of the envelope, and, of course, put no stamps on it. Mostly worked!
Reminds me of the other linux based distribution I use sometimes. But they were clever: They clamed it was no fault but an improvement.
/
But to the topic: Has someone tried to use GNOME with Compiz on openSUSE 11.4 Milestone 5/factory/factory-tested installed (or even more interesting: to use it [i]not after booting/logging in again). I feel a bit like putting the stamps on the right corner and looking letters with stamps on the left corner if I each time I go to my desktop again…
Regards
puzzled
pistazienfresser