lists.opensuse.org - a snail in treacle?

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#1

Not a support question per se, so posting here as I’m curious to see if I’m alone or if this is a widespread problem.

Since the introduction of new software (some time ago now) for the list management of “lists.opensuse.org” I find that very frequently it is painfully slow.

A traceroute shows no obvious problem in reaching “lists.opensuse.org”:

paul@HP255G7:~> sudo traceroute -T -O info lists.opensuse.org
traceroute to lists.opensuse.org (195.135.221.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  3.187 ms  4.326 ms  4.316 ms
 2  10.53.38.141 (10.53.38.141)  21.198 ms  21.409 ms  21.164 ms
 3  pete-core-2a-xe-1130-0.network.virginmedia.net (80.3.129.29)  22.474 ms  22.459 ms  25.312 ms
 4  tele-ic-6-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.174.86)  39.327 ms  30.725 ms  30.630 ms
 5  * * * 
 6  ae19-0.lon10.core-backbone.com (5.56.20.73)  30.578 ms  32.010 ms  31.946 ms
 7  ae2-2001.nbg30.core-backbone.com (81.95.15.161)  43.360 ms  43.325 ms  38.890 ms
 8  core-backbone.microfocus.com (5.56.18.210)  70.194 ms  70.157 ms  70.126 ms
 9  195.135.221.26 (195.135.221.26)  42.048 ms  42.692 ms  37.393 ms
10  proxy-nue.opensuse.org (195.135.221.140) <syn,ack>  42.390 ms  39.286 ms  39.239 ms
paul@HP255G7:~>

Monitoring the page load (with Firefox Developer Tools -> Network) it is invariably one or more, generally more, of the requests shown in this screenshot: https://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/2c17c269 that it appears to be choking on.

In this instance seven requests that are taking between approx 4 and 9 seconds per request…

Just me?

#2

No, it’s not just you.

I used to check the factory mailing list several times per day. Now I do it only once, and that is still an unpleasant experience.

The old software (what was used a year ago), was so much better.

If I do see an interesting topic and decide to read that, my browser now downloads the entire thread and I have to scroll through it to find what has been added since I last looked.

I can guess why it is so slow. It is transferring lots more data. But most of that is data that I don’t want to see.

This is the newer “better” way – it just makes the software work harder, the person work harder and the experience less satisfying. Can we go back to the older “worser” way, because that was far better.

#3

Hi
I use nntp, no issues on that side :wink: But yes, the web ui is running slow. Best to create a progress ticket for the Heroes team send an email to admin {at} opensuse {dot} org

#4

OK. Thanks, it’s good to not be alone :slight_smile:

This is the newer “better” way – it just makes the software work harder, the person work harder and the experience less satisfying.

I concur completely.

Can we go back to the older “worser” way, because that was far better.

Without hesitation I second that motion.

#5

Will do, task for this evening, need to go out shortly…

#6

OK, done, just sent an e-mail to the Heroes Team.

#7

The current archive view hurts usability, no deep links with distinct visited styling, etc. The way timestamps are formatted are just a bad idea. The older online archive wasn’t perfect but for casual viewing it was good enough.

#8

Acknowledged as a problem, progress ticket for anyone interested: https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/101848

#9

Thanks. (plus useless filler to avoid complaint about the length of the reply)

#10

@nrickert (and others…)

I’ve taken to using this: https://marc.info/?l=opensuse-factory&r=1&w=3

#11

Thanks. That might be easier to use.