Linux become more MacLike!

Wasn’t it IBM who requested that,
and aren’t there any developers around,
that seek a job?

And therefore, wouldn’t there be a possibility
to raise funds for open source development ?

YES, in my opinion, in some aspects Linux
should become more Mac-like.

  1. Starting up with the same setup for files
    opened at the last session:
    Linux, in part, is already better than (at least traditional)
    Mac OS 7-9:
    When OpenSUSE 11.1 with Firefox starts up, then in fact the same
    recent sessions are displayed (which was different on my
    OpenSUSE10.2 and Firefox 2.9.x which couldn’t achieve this).
    Open Folders were displayed already by OpenSUSE 10.2,
    and of course they are displayed as well by 11.1.
    With respect to WEB-pages a feature that at least old Macs
    didn’t have at all!

  2. In Mac OS there was/is a mode to display files and folders
    a special way:
    You can graphically arrange where (geomatrically) to place them
    in an open window in that mode, i.e. they were NOT sorted
    by name (or whatever).
    This display mode makes a difference to Windows as well:
    I do decide where to graphically put the files and folders
    and I do find them at exact the same location after the next
    This would require some other file system, or at least some
    hidden folders and/or files to store the data for the
    position of the displayed files/folders (like they exist
    under Mac OS).

The great advantage of this displaying mode is that YOU
find things the way you want and the way you left it,
and this increases productivity.

Another thing RELATED to this (i.e. related to additional
data about files stored external of these files) is that
shareware tools like the editor Alfa on Mac external of
the related edited files did store the position within
that file you last saw and restored that position on opening,
along with the information which font you did choose
for that file, and how many chars per tab (4, 8 or whatever).
This information was in fact stored externally, which
becomes obvious when one downloads the corresponding file
to another OS (like Linux), and discovers that the file
is the same, and that only the information about the last
position and the font used is gone (of course).
This means that shareware tools like Alfa could use the
possibility of (proprietary) Mac OS file systems to store
additional information about single files, and almost all
of these (non-Apple) applications did make use of this!

  1. On older Macs there have been some non-Apple tools
    that had considerably eased opening files:
    If you selected opening a file from the corresponding
    menue of the application, while the corresponding dialogue
    of Mac OS that every application uses was opened,
    you could click on every opened “Finder”-window in the
    background (i.e. any window displaying contents of a directory
    in the background) to choose this directory as source or target
    of the file to be read from or written to.
    This GREATLY increased productivity (because of the quick and
    very intuitive access), and this was POISED by Apple starting
    at least from Mac OS 9, because they then had the
    movable opening dialogue, which disabled just this
    subtle feature.

  2. Fonts:

It would be useful if Fonts are administrated by the OS only.

I.e. in one single folder.

And that not every application comes with its own set of fonts.

This would mean system-wide fonts and more systematic control
by the USER.

This means that every application would have the same font menue.


This as well means that I can chose a small nice bitmap
font for any editor that I use, so I get a better display
of source files, which isn’t limited to 80 chars per line.


KDE and some of the related apps already do that don’t they?

If you turn off “align to grid” then you can put your icons wherever you want on the desktop.

And I notice that when I edit a file using vi in the terminal, even that remembers where I was the last time I was there. I’m sure Kate does that too.

As far as I understand, OS/X is a doctored version of BSD, so they are very close cousins under the bonnet.

I guess if you had the source code for their “alterations” you could compile their stuff to run under Linux ;).

I was watching a young girl at the photographers last week manipulating lots of photos using OS/X on a massive screen, it was very impressive to see how easily and intuitively everything worked and flowed.

To get that “real Mac feel” you could always put duct tape over all your mouse buttons ;).

Dolphin already creates a .directory file in every folder you visit containing the way you viewed it.

This as well means that I can chose a small nice bitmap
font for any editor that I use, so I get a better display
of source files, which isn’t limited to 80 chars per line.

You aren’t here either! Please don’t use so many enters, your post could easily fit onto my screen in like 1/4th of its height, but due to the excessive enters I actually have to scroll.

Hi again,

don’t get me wrong.

I’m not talking about OS X, which I don’t know.
Concerning Unix systems I know Linux and I like it.
That’s why I’m posting here.

I’ve been working with older versions of Mac OS (8.1, not even 9) for YEARS.

And I enjoyed the productivity possible there prior to
Apples changes to a more “modern” OS, i.e. using the
the small nice shareware tools which added useful
functionality (that was not provided by Apple!).

So I guess the girl you mentionned may just have been
productive because of the specific software it used
(i.e. not because of the OS).

Would you mind to put it like that:
Considering different OS’s Windows might be the least
desireable, Mac OS (whatever version) may come next,
but the best is Linux, with however some drawbacks
that might be improved.

What do you think? :wink:

I like Linux and that’s why I’m posting here (besides putting some
questions concerning unresolved problems with Linux that I have).

Why do you try to squeeze me out?

Did I permit some crime submitting this contribution ?

Sorry, commit some crime …

(I’m not english or american)

Hi growbag,

I was missing out one important point you

You’re right, in the desktop folder I can place
icons or aliases wherever I chose.

The point is:

This should be possible in ANY folder,
i.e. not only in the desktop folder!

So the code to do this in fact already seems to
be present.

But the application of this within arbitrary folders
isn’t made possible yet.

lol, don’t take things too personal here, these forums are full of people who tend to get very “religious” and emotional about anything that may seem a little critical (see - criticism).

I’m not saying that is the case here, but a fireproof suit helps ;).

In my opinion KDE4 is simply a “Vista catchup/lookalike/wannabe”, but that is my opinion and I have very thick flameproof underwear so I don’t care rotfl!.

Hi growbag !

The “Why do you try to squeeze me out?” wans’t addressed to you at all! (could it be that I see postings by ParentPenguins that you don’t see ??)

I don’t know Vista - my computer is just too slow for it - what a
pity … :wink:

For a similar reason I currently won’t try KDE 4 until I got
a faster computer.

With respect to usability today I had a day-dream:

Imagine you have Keyboard with a penguin-key instead of the
windows-key on windows-keyboards (or the apple-key on apple-keyboards).

Hello everybody, does anybody have such a nice keyboard or at least
small penguin stickers to transform the keyboard in such one ???

within ALL applications including KDE
penguin-Q would mean quit,
penguin-W would mean close,
penguin-S would mean save,
penguin-F would mean find,
penguin-P would mean print,
penguin-A would mean mark all,
penguin-X would mean cut,
penguin-C would mean copy,
penguin-V would mean paste,
penguin-N would mean new file,
penguin-O would mean open,

and a few more perhaps.

The advantage is most keys (or at least the most important keys)
can be pressed by the left hand alone (subtle feature),
and after getting used to the keys you’re getting very quick.

OK Ctrl-S for save isn’t bad either.
But it should be unique, and penguin-S would just be nicer.

The point is, the penguin-key would urgently be required
to move people, because who would enjoy to use windows-S
instead of penguin-S under Linux all the time ???

Another example.
I have been using FontForge under OpenSUSE 10.2
(to my complete surprise this superb application wasn’t
included on the OpenSUSE 11.1 DVD !!!
Besides, does anybody who reads this have any experience
compiling FontForge from source under OpenSUSE ?).

I used drag-and-drop to work on some free Type1 font files
used with LaTeX.

But the icon (or more correctly the alias) of FontForge didn’t
turn dark when I dragged files over it.

I always wondered if the files would end up on the desktop!

Under older Mac OS’s it even was indicated by the icon/alias
turning dark if this application would accept the dragged files
as input.

This is not an essential feature, in my view, because there can be
an error message by the application itself later on, if the
input file format doesen’t fit.
BUT it would be nice if the icon/alias turns dark if the desktop
application notices that the dragged files are input to the
respective application.
This would be intuitive to immediately know that the files aren’t
moved to the desktop.

what are your (day) dreams about Linux ?


I didn’t mean to offend you, it just seemed awkward that you comment on a character limit… and then limit your own sentences to ~180 characters on this forum where there is no forced limit.
And I commented on that since I use a resolution of 1920x1200 and your post takes up about 600 of those 1920 pixels while taking up 1200+ of the 1200.

As to your ‘keyboard’ inquiries, under Linux the windows key is usually referred to as either the ‘meta’ or ‘super’-key. Check out the keyboard shortcut settings options of your desktop environment you’re using and I’m quite sure you can do most of the settings.
By default closing a window is alt + f4, not windows+q but both Gnome and KDE (3.x and 4.x) allow you to customize it.
Same for most of the other keys you mention, although some of them might only apply to ‘native’ programs of the desktop environment… not sure about that, never customized them heavily.
Only change I felt was needed is changing ctrl+f4 to not switch to virtual desktop #4 as it interfered with the same hotkey/shortcut used in Firefox to close a tab.

If you want a different physical keyboard, they are out there… they’re just rare and overpriced.](

If you’re running Gnome or KDE3.x fine then feel free to try out KDE4.x as the resource use did not go up, you’ll just not be able to use the fancy 3D accelerated features.

Hi Axeia,

it’s OK.

The whole thing is quite emotional, probably.

I don’t mean Gnome, neither KDE3, nor KDE4, specifically.

And putting some nice penguine stickers on the windows keys
on the keyboard shouldn’t be that expensive, in the end.
But it would help.

But that’s not the fix of all issues.

Look, when I boot (old) MacOs it doesn’t matter if there
are 10 or 20 System Folders containing different versions
of MacOS that I could boot from.
It works.

Next, I can exchange files needed for boot, if I like,
before the next reboot, for which I (the user) can choose
the volume to be booted from in advance.

Be sure: I don’t like Apple since their decisions
made almost a DECADE ago:

With the introduction of the G3 Macs one could
waste the old hardware.
This wasn’t cool at all, and made clear all the drawbacks
involved with using non-open-source OS’s.

To make this more clear:
About 2 years ago through eBay I bought a quite old
G3 PowerMac for about 50 US dollars.

It’s still quite fast, especially running the old
programs I still need, OK.

BUT still I can not use this G3 to print ANYTHING,
because it can not be connected to my POSTSCRIPT
HP Laserwriter with additional RAM, because the G3
does neither have a serial, nor a parallel port.

An USB to serial interface, that under MacOS needs
proprietary drivers NOT EVEN AVAILABLE BY APPLE,
that I bought through eBay for about HALF the price (!)
of that now cheap G3 Mac (these parts always have been
quite expensive!) was defunct.

Still no printing from that G3 Mac.

That is usability, isn’t it???

Should I waste my HP postscript laserwriter with additional RAM?

For sure not.

I’ll never buy a Mac again!

And I enjoy Linux, since I got to know it, supporting
almost everything, if I buy the right hardware.

I could imagine, that Linux could get even more
usable than OLD MacOS (which wasn’t bad in this
With comparatively little effort.

But booting from different volumes on which Linux
is installed, and permitting to arrange file icons
in any folder in the way that I chose
(i.e. in a way that I do easily find them again)
may be one of the essential prerequisites,
especially for unexperienced Linux users.

I really would like Linux to work it out,
and to succeed !

And personally I don’t like another OS anymore.
But please don’t mind if I complain about details
that may not be optimal with respect to usability,
and which may keep other unexperienced users like me
from using Linux.


Linux keyboard
Cherry - G83-6188 LINUX

Thank you for the link. :slight_smile:

Didn’t know that cherry would be selling
such keyboards.