I’m talking about unexperienced user (maybe the majority), like me.
Maybe you should at least try to understand what is posted, before spilling cynically?
So, what do users want to do about it, nothing will ever happen until users contribute to the appropriate areas. This is a community project, users can have a say in what happens, posting here is not the correct place.
If users just want to be a free loaders, that’s fine too, but expect push back if not wanting to help in some way, eg feedback/issues, bug reports etc in the appropriate venues.
Remember this is just a Peer to Peer users group, not the development of various openSUSE Products.
You might be interested in this feedback and responses?
https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/SFZOBU5I3YQVVTBTETQ7BL2BWQ3UDC2D/
Did a fast look on:
https://metrics.opensuse.org/d/osrt_access/osrt-access?orgId=1&from=now-5y&to=now&timezone=browser&var-frequency=month&var-product=tumbleweed
Who wants develop when the userbase is declining? Catch 22.
Regards
@jonte1 known erroneous data since the move to cdn…
I quote from that:
“… already being addressed and will be part of 16.1 and Tumbleweed…”
(openSUSE release team)
So, until then…
But you have been around Forum for a number of years? I would not think your an inexperienced user? I would have thought some awareness as to the changes coming with Leap 16.0?
Cynical, maybe, just disappointed in the lack of understanding of what users are doing when they install…
Like giving the keys of an eighteen wheeler to a teenager, who has never driven before and saying “Have at it…” (I suspect that probably happens…)
@user42 so get involved in the Leap 16.1 testing that has started, attend the release meetings etc. A chance for you to have your say now, rather than when the deal is done…
Grab the current Agama installer and test, join the YaST IRC channel etc…
May I kindly point you to my post above Leap 16.0: Not for beginners - #21 by user42
This is kind of pointless. You don’t have time for pointing your feedback at the correct places where the devs could see it. But instead you have time for complaining in the forum and waste time of members which try to explain the basics to you?
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That’s fine, so you get what you get, not a lot anyone can do about that 
Right, pointless indeed.
So I quit participating the thread.
My personal conclusion:
I’ll stay at 15.6 until release of 16.1
(without security updates for 18 months, if EOL 15.6 isn’t prolonged).
Maybe switch to Kubuntu LTS with Snap removed meanwhile.
IMO 16.0 shouldn’t have been released at that state;
a quality control (worth its name) should have stopped it,
and postponed until requirements are met.
A simple user’s test would have revealed the lacks
mentioned in my first post, and of Agama.
I do not trust in 16.0 that these are the only missings.
Thank you.
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Ok. Leap 16.0 and Adama seem to be generating quite a bit of criticism.
Perhaps the community deserves it. openSUSE is the project and the community; Leap is just one of the openSUSE operating systems, along with Tumbleweed/Slowroll, MicroOS, and its derivatives…
We have long discussed “extensively” that communication is not our strong suit. Well, in this case, we must understand that for someone unfamiliar with the Community, easy implies stable, therefore stable is easy.
I know you see a lot of holes in that concept, but it’s how many people understand computer systems.
Let’s begin.
It is true that in our (openSUSE) website we say:
Leap
For Sysadmins, Enterprise Developers, and ‘Regular’ Desktop Users
So anyone who considers themselves a “regular user” will think they fit in here.
And it’s true, because that’s Leap’s goal. Except it’s not the whole truth.
Leap 16.0 is a big leap over 15.6. And as the saying goes, if it’s going to be done, there’s no reason to delay. But it’s true that installing 32-bit support, for example, isn’t trivial. No matter how easy it seems, people expect 16.0 to offer something similar to what 15.x did. It must be acknowledged that there is a lot of change and many of these changes may not be easy to accept for many people who want to try openSUSE.
@malcolmlewis has mentioned the documentation here and in another similar thread (about Agama). But the truth is, there’s a “quick start” guide for 15.6, but not for 16.0. And it might be much more important for 16.0. It’s true there’s a guide about Agama… with images of Tumbleweed, Leap 16.0 alpha…
I suppose there isn’t a “quick start” guide because nobody has written one. Okay, fine. But there isn’t one.
In my opinion, much of the criticism of Leap 16.0 is exaggerated. But perhaps we should encourage newcomers to use Slowroll and Tumbleweed (and even Aeon, Kalpa as they progress…).
That said, installing Leap 16.0 is trivial.
- Boot the USB drive containing the ISO. Select Install.
- Select Leap 16.0. Here you can choose the installation language and keyboard layout (which is not the same as choosing the language and keyboard layout for the installed system!).
When the installation starts:
- In Location, adjust, if necessary, the language for the installed system, the keyboard layout, and the time zone.
- In Network, if you want to install using Wi-Fi, configure the Wi-Fi connection.
- In Software, add your preferred desktop pattern.
- In Authentication, configure at least one user account, although it might be better to configure a root account (for example, to use CUPS for the printer—see how necessary the “quick” guide is?).
Click Install. Wait a while for the system to restart, and that’s it. It’s not rocket science, although we could document it better.
Do I want to keep Windows, or another Linux distribution, or something else?
- In Storage, look for the option “All content will be deleted.” Click on it and select Srink from the drop-down menu.
Click install.
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