I cannot get Kmail functional with RC2. I’ve tried to update from 11.4,
clean install while retaining the 11.4 /home, even a bare-disk clean install
and I still cannot get it running. With my mail lists and address books,
getting a migrated copy of those pieces is more than just a convenience…
If /home exists, kmail want to migrate to kmail2 and falls flat - won’t even
show the window. With the clean install, it pops up a wizard to create an
account, then reports a fatal error before even taking th3e first input from
the wizard.
Am I alone with this or has anyone seen similar results? Hopefully someone
smarter than I has found a workaround but it’s a show stopper here.
On a brighter note, I haven’t found any notable problems with RC2. All the
installation problems I had with the beta and RC1 seem to be covered and it
goes right in. My hardware (older Nvidia kit) requires “nomodeset” at boot
as it refuses to work with the nouveau driver and I have a gremlin in the
network somewhere - on one install it goes fine, the next time it will not
get the network active until after a hard boot, the third time I may have to
edit the network card with Yast to get it going. In any case, once I get
the network up it continues to work as it should for subsequent boots. I
also see occasional corruption with popups on the screen but these are
livable.
> With the clean install, it pops up a wizard to create an
> account, then reports a fatal error before even taking th3e first input
> from the wizard.
>
> Am I alone with this or has anyone seen similar results? Hopefully
> someone smarter than I has found a workaround but it’s a show stopper
> here.
>
Yes, I have.
You can setup account using “Settings -> Configure KMail”
Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
At least using hi number of messages.
Viljo Mustonen wrote:
> Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
> At least using hi number of messages.
>
I use this buggy version without any problems so far (started using it with
RC1 the upadtaed to RC2) with 3 email accounts configured and a total of
~50k emails in it distributed in ~30 folders using akonadis mysql backend
largest email folder has 10k messages (octave mailing list 2010).
Only thing I noticed is kmail2 being slower than the old kmail in 11.4.
I guess I will try the postgres backend for akonadi at some point in time (I
already tried on 11.4 with kde 4.7 but it failed to synchronise my messages
from imap).
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> Viljo Mustonen wrote:
>> Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
>> At least using hi number of messages.
>>
> I use this buggy version without any problems so far (started using it
> with
> RC1 the upadtaed to RC2) with 3 email accounts configured and a total of
> ~50k emails in it distributed in ~30 folders using akonadis mysql backend
> largest email folder has 10k messages (octave mailing list 2010).
>
> Only thing I noticed is kmail2 being slower than the old kmail in 11.4.
> I guess I will try the postgres backend for akonadi at some point in
> time (I
> already tried on 11.4 with kde 4.7 but it failed to synchronise my
> messages
> from imap).
>
>> Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
>> At least using hi number of messages.
>>
> I use this buggy version without any problems so far (started using it
> with
> RC1 the upadtaed to RC2) with 3 email accounts configured and a total of
> ~50k emails in it distributed in ~30 folders using akonadis mysql backend
> largest email folder has 10k messages (octave mailing list 2010).
i’ve been using kmail for the last 3 years or so, and while there have
been some hickups, it’s been very usable for me altogether. IIRC i haven’t
had any serious problems in almost a year. (i do keep thunderbird or
evolution around just in case though. all my mail is in mailboxes,
accessed via dovecot, so there’s no real danger.)
HAH! Your implying that kmail actually starts. Here, I get a message that
kmail can’t aquire required resources after which it packs up and quits
before ever opening.
I can live w/o kmail but the users I support won’t tolerate a change that
doesn’t import previous emails and address lists.
Viljo Mustonen wrote:
> Will Honea wrote:
>
>
>
>> With the clean install, it pops up a wizard to create an
>> account, then reports a fatal error before even taking th3e first input
>> from the wizard.
>>
>> Am I alone with this or has anyone seen similar results? Hopefully
>> someone smarter than I has found a workaround but it’s a show stopper
>> here.
>>
>
> Yes, I have.
> You can setup account using “Settings -> Configure KMail”
>
> Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
> At least using hi number of messages.
>
> I can live w/o kmail but the users I support won’t tolerate a change that
> doesn’t import previous emails and address lists.
>
I see your problem I also could not solve that, since all my emails are in
imap the mails were no problem (I just synchronised instead of migrating
them) with a virgin setup of the new kmail, the contacts are a different
beast.
Is it no option for your users to stay on 11.4 until that migration problem
(I had to fight with it for several days) is solved by the KDE developers in
a reasonable way or even wait for 12.2 and bypass 12.1 with the hope that
the migration process matures enough during that time?
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| 16GB Ram
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nVidia ION | 3GB Ram
> rOn Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:52:20 +0530, martin_helm
> <martin_helm@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, this KMail version is so buggy that is not usable.
>>> At least using hi number of messages.
>>>
>
>> I use this buggy version without any problems so far (started using it
>> with
>> RC1 the upadtaed to RC2) with 3 email accounts configured and a total of
>> ~50k emails in it distributed in ~30 folders using akonadis mysql backend
>> largest email folder has 10k messages (octave mailing list 2010).
>
>
> i’ve been using kmail for the last 3 years or so, and while there have
> been some hickups, it’s been very usable for me altogether. IIRC i haven’t
> had any serious problems in almost a year. (i do keep thunderbird or
> evolution around just in case though. all my mail is in mailboxes,
> accessed via dovecot, so there’s no real danger.)
>
I am using maildirs and filtering fetched messages into four message
folders. I have left fetched messages for 170 days to isp:s mailbox
backup reasons. Now there was about 7400 messages.
Now I did setup 12.1 RC2 KMail principal same as in openSuse 11.4.
I did try fetch those 7400 messages from isp. Result was that Kmail
fetched part of messages and logged up and did not continue after
closing KMail and starting again.
This operation have worked well with older KMail versions.
Then shortened isp:s saving time to 90 days, 4500 messages.
Deleted my account and home directory and setup account again.
Setup Kmail again. Now Kmail fetched all messages and filtered
OK. But “Factory folder” contains 3175 unread messages. If
I try access “Factory folder”, KMail logs up.
I do not wont shorten isp:s saving time more backup reasons
and try smaller message count.
This KMail has also weirdness that it stores messages into inbox
before filtering. Older versions do filterin first and stores
messages straight into correct folder.
> I am using maildirs and filtering fetched messages into four message
> folders. I have left fetched messages for 170 days to isp:s mailbox
> backup reasons. Now there was about 7400 messages.
>
> Now I did setup 12.1 RC2 KMail principal same as in openSuse 11.4.
> I did try fetch those 7400 messages from isp. Result was that Kmail
> fetched part of messages and logged up and did not continue after
> closing KMail and starting again.
> This operation have worked well with older KMail versions.
>
> Then shortened isp:s saving time to 90 days, 4500 messages.
> Deleted my account and home directory and setup account again.
> Setup Kmail again. Now Kmail fetched all messages and filtered
> OK. But “Factory folder” contains 3175 unread messages. If
> I try access “Factory folder”, KMail logs up.
>
> I do not wont shorten isp:s saving time more backup reasons
> and try smaller message count.
>
I see, but did you report all this problems to bugzilla so that they can be
solved.
> This KMail has also weirdness that it stores messages into inbox
> before filtering. Older versions do filterin first and stores
> messages straight into correct folder.
>
Hmm, that’s not so good, I cannot see that myself since I do no longer use
local filters but use now for a year solely sieve scripts on the server for
filtering.
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| 16GB Ram
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nVidia ION | 3GB Ram
On the Factory mailing list Will indicated that we stay away from trying to set up POP3. He is spending as much time as he can to get it working.
For status you can inquire on the Factory mailing list.
> Is it no option for your users to stay on 11.4 until that migration
> problem (I had to fight with it for several days) is solved by the KDE
> developers in a reasonable way or even wait for 12.2 and bypass 12.1 with
> the hope that the migration process matures enough during that time?
That’s the current plan. I always dread migrating those address books and
mail lists anyway - the main office account has 50-odd lists and at least
one holds 400 members. I would fear for my life if I lost that one!
Will Honea wrote:
> That’s the current plan. I always dread migrating those address books and
> mail lists anyway - the main office account has 50-odd lists and at least
> one holds 400 members. I would fear for my life if I lost that one!
>
I can imagine how pleased they will be if something is lost, even if is only
one contact it will for sure be the most important one for a some user
(following Murphy’s law). One solution I never tried but which came to my
mind is if the csv export in the old kmail and then a csv import of the
adress books in the new kmail would be a workaround without loss of
information. But with that many users and contacts I fear it will be a real
pain, if it works at all.
But sure - for a corporate environment a migration process simply has to be
reliable and that was not even flawless for my private accounts.
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PC: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420
| 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 12.1 RC2 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.2 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram
> Will Honea wrote:
>> That’s the current plan. I always dread migrating those address books
>> and mail lists anyway - the main office account has 50-odd lists and at
>> least
>> one holds 400 members. I would fear for my life if I lost that one!
>>
> I can imagine how pleased they will be if something is lost, even if is
> only one contact it will for sure be the most important one for a some
> user (following Murphy’s law). One solution I never tried but which came
> to my mind is if the csv export in the old kmail and then a csv import of
> the adress books in the new kmail would be a workaround without loss of
> information. But with that many users and contacts I fear it will be a
> real pain, if it works at all.
> But sure - for a corporate environment a migration process simply has to
> be reliable and that was not even flawless for my private accounts.
It’s pretty much academic at this point since I can’t even get kmail to
launch even by wiping all the .kde4 config stuff for kmail,
uninstalling/reinstalling both the akonadi and kmail stuff and starting
clean. That’s on 3 different machines (1 64 bit, 2 32 bit laptops) so I’m
just giving 12.1 up as a lost cause for anything beyond testing. Hopefully,
this will resolve at some point so I’ll just keep track of the bugzilla refs
and contribute what I can.
