Keeping Tumbleweed free of Breeze!

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S | Name                  | Type    | Version      | Arch   | Repository         
--+-----------------------+---------+--------------+--------+--------------------
i | patterns-openSUSE-kde | package | 20150408-2.1 | x86_64 | openSUSE-20150508-0

S | Name | Type    | Version   | Arch   | Repository             
--+------+---------+-----------+--------+------------------------
i | k3b  | package | 2.0.3-4.1 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss

S | Name           | Type    | Version   | Arch   | Repository             
--+----------------+---------+-----------+--------+------------------------
i | kernel-desktop | package | 4.0.4-1.1 | x86_64 | (System Packages)      
i | kernel-desktop | package | 4.0.4-2.1 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss


stephen@linux-lo2y:~> sudo zypper ll
root's password:
#  | Name                                | Type    | Repository
---+-------------------------------------+---------+-----------
1  | breeze                              | package | (any)     
2  | kcm_touchpad                        | package | (any)     
3  | kwrite                              | package | (any)     
4  | kate                                | package | (any)     
5  | kdenlive                            | package | (any)     
6  | konsole                             | package | (any)     
7  | ark                                 | package | (any)     
8  | kgpg                                | package | (any)     
9  | MozillaFirefox                      | package | (any)     
10 | xorg-x11-Xvnc                       | package | (any)     
11 | myspell-american                    | package | (any)     
12 | patterns-openSUSE-kde_*             | package | (any)     
13 | patterns-openSUSE-sw_management_kde | package | (any)     
14 | kmix                                | package | (any)     
15 | kernel-desktop                      | package | (any)     
16 | k3b                                 | package | (any)

When I first installed Tumbleweed, I was looking for a version of openSUSE with the new kernel 4. Plasma 5.3 Breeze replaced fonts that I already thought were perfect. I hate Breeze, so I reinstalled my original version of Tumbleweed and blocked Breeze with ‘zypper al breeze’. Since then I have been double checking with zypper ve and zypper inr, and trusting zypper to keep my package dependencies intact. zypper has got to be the best most effective package manager around. So openSUSE was definitely the right choice.

zypper up
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

The following 32 package updates will NOT be installed:
  ark dolphin evince evince-browser-plugin ghc-transformers ghc-transformers-devel ghc-xhtml 
  ghc-xhtml-devel gnome-documents gnome-documents_books-common gtk3-data gtk3-immodule-amharic 
  gtk3-immodule-inuktitut gtk3-immodule-thai gtk3-immodule-vietnamese k3b k3b-lang kate kdenlive kgpg 
  kmines kmix konqueror konsole konsole4-part kpat kwrite libgtk-3-0 libkdegames MozillaFirefox 
  patterns-openSUSE-kde xorg-x11-Xvnc 

Nothing to do.

I don’t want the packman version of kb3, but I probably will get the most up-to-date version of kdenlive.

Both kwrite and konsole stopped working correctly with the initial 15.04 verions, so I am very paraniod about updating them. At the time I did not realize that Terminal Super User Mode was not working, because I did not know how it was not supposed to look like the regualar version of konsole.

I guess if I had a question is would be whether I can mess around with the packages like this and trust zypper to insure that all the dependencies are satisfied.

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Would it be simpler, for the moment, to just install openSUSE 13.2 and then grab kernel-stable and go from there? If I am correct, KDE is “all-in” with their future platforms and development is not happening on the KDE 4 codebase anymore.

However, I can’t really speak for those guys except to give my gratitude to the KDE volunteer maintainers here in the openSUSE community. Those guys do great work … and I’m a GNOME user at the moment.

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I am planning on switching to 13.3 when that comes out. I think that as of April Tumbleweed was close to what 13.3 will be and then March 16 Tumbleweed upgraded to Plasma 5 5.3 Breeze. Plasma is taking KDE is a good direction overall and 13.2 already has some Plasma improvements I believe. If 13.3 will have any version of kernel-desktop 4, I will switch to that entirely. Otherwise, by the time 13.3 is released maybe I will have settled on an openSUSE and not feel the need for more stability. I have my doubts that that is possible. It depends if zypper is really as powerful a tool as I hope it is. I mean when is says that all dependencies are satisfied, does that mean that I am really OK? Either way, I am still learning the ins and outs of the development of a really great distro. With openSUSE I can convert my DVDs into mpeg4 files, watch videos on yputube, and compile programs with GCC 4.8 when a Linux app is not in the repos. So far I have compiled Nyquist and its Java based IDE, MZScheme version 360 for Arc 3, scm, and siod, and Inlab-Scheme-4.108; all variants of lisp. The point is I like openSUSE, but I am holding out for a version somewhere between Tumbleweed 16 March 2015 and openSUSE 13.2, with 13.3 being a likely candidate as far as I can tell so far. Or if you like, a version of KDE between 4.14 and Plasma 5.2.1.

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13.2 should be the last release with KDE 4. Since Tumbleweed has moved to Plasma 5 as the default, and the next default will come from a branch of TW (or combined with some SLES packages it seems), it will have Plasma 5 as well.

What font is it replacing? Breeze is just a theme – and you can change any fonts back to the ones you want.

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I have a sense that the april 2015 version of Tumbleweed prior to Plasma 5.3 is forked to 13.3 and now TW is hurtling toward 14.1.

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No, it’s not. How do you get the idea?

Anyway, TW is not hurling towards any version at all. It is a rolling distribution.
At some point a “stable” release might be branched off and labelled 13.3 or whatever.
OTOH, as it looks now, 13.3 (or whatever they are going to call it) will be based on SLE 12, not Tumbleweed. It will contain some packages from Tumbleweed though, KDE e.g. as that isn’t included at all in SLE.

On your other points, I can only fully agree to TeutonJon78…

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Just “shooting the breeze”, as they say in the US. Well that is what the thread title suggests… :slight_smile: