Very disappointing this release by openSuse.
I had 13.2 running, but for some stupid reason I decided to give a go with this leap.
Why did openSuse calls this “leap” a conservative and stable, with this plasma 5 ?
I have constantly to go to desktop configuration and change the compositor to ease all this flickering.
Is there a way to completely remove this plasma 5 and have the KDE4 ?
Thanks
Yes.
Reinstall 13.2, or even 13.1.
However, KDE4 is no longer maintained upstream. So you either volunteer to maintain it for opensuse, or it’s plasma 5.
On the positive side, this has been a lot better than the change from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3.
make sure you are using desktop settings for plasma 5 you could have kde4’s settings app and running that one by mistake.
kde4 is dead just not yet buried if you want it you need to go back to 13.2.
what is your plasma5 issue?
there is a bug with nouveau and nvidias card which is solved by installing the propitiatory nvidia drivers.
there is also a bug with dolphin’s activities plugin caused by a couropt data base there are several fixes for it just search the forums for dolphin crashes on plasma5.
Also did you apply the updates?
there are quite a lot of updates for plasma 5.4 and there is even a release of plasma 5.5 for Leap here
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_42.1/
if you want to use it you need to dup to it.
ok, thanks, I’ll check that.
For me it’s unstable. I work in web developing , I don’t know how fix plasma 5. But I’ve always like kde because of dolphin.
If I can’t get around this, yes, I’ve have to go back to 13.2 or some other distro.
Thanks
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:26:01 GMT mesnitu wrote:
> Is there a way to completely remove this plasma 5 and have the KDE4 ?
I know what you mean 
and i switch back to kde4 with this:
kdebase4-workspace-ksysguardd kscreen kscreen-lang
But i must say that kde4 with the breeze style looks great in all apps
(kde, qt*, gtk*) so leap works perfect here for me. There is also
dolphin4 in the repos which do a better job than dolphin because this
one ignores the SingleClick.
So again, instead i was not so much happy with my kde5 test from my view
this was all upstream and in leap the packages makes the best out of the
situation that upstream don’t support kde4.
I think you are experiencing the dolphin activities bug, the fix is to delete from outside of plasma5
~/.local/share/kactivitymanagerd/
so you need to login to a different desktop I used lxqt.
or disable the activities plugin in Dolphin’s settings->Services
If I can’t get around this, yes, I’ve have to go back to 13.2 or some other distro.
you can go back to 13.2 I don’t know how well kde4 runs under leap I thought it was not available, about other distro’s this is not an openSUSE bug it’s a general kde bug
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351485
afaik all distro’s have moved on to plasma, opensuse is one of those that provides tons of desktop environments, I’d recommend trying lxqt as it’s a light qt5 desktop and strangely enough dolphin didn’t crash on me under lxqt.
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:06:01 GMT I A wrote:
> > If I can’t get around this, yes, I’ve have to go back to 13.2 or
> > some other distro.
> you can go back to 13.2 I don’t know how well kde4 runs under leap I
> thought it was not available, about other distro’s this is not an
> openSUSE bug it’s a general kde bug
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351485
Okay, i don’t use activities (or desktop search or the plasma desktop)
because at the end i use kde4 nearly in the same way as kde3 and i don’t
use a clean install of leap because i even let “zypper dup” do the job
but for me i don’t recognize a difference between 13.2 and leap with the
only exception that there be a lot of kf5 apps. So still again you can
install kde4 under leap and thanks to the packagers to have this option.
> afaik all distro’s have moved on to plasma, opensuse is one of those
> that provides tons of desktop environments, I’d recommend trying lxqt
> as it’s a light qt5 desktop and strangely enough dolphin didn’t crash
> on me under lxqt.
I run lxqt in combination with xfwm4 (i like transparent panels) on my
laptop and it is very nice … but i use this combination under
archlinux
Well, after installing the fglrx drivers, things got a little better, but just now, I made the mistake to try to install a windows decoration, and BANG, complete flickering, a kde crash, I had to logout between all those flashes in a hard way.
For what I can see, for now, more or less, we’re stuck with this theme breeze ?
As I said, I think this leap jump, hasn’t gone very far, it’s very disappointing for a mature distro as opensuse to wrap a unstable desktop for there users.
And this is not a kde issue, the bugs are there, it’s a decision by decisions makers, to make it available as stable.
I’m very found of kde, I think it’s the best desktop not just for linux, but I’ve always was a step behind, in a stable version.
I think it was to soon to release this leap with this plasma5.
For what I can see, for now, more or less, we’re stuck with this theme breeze ?
afaik you can still use oxygen under kf5 start kde settings and make a switch, make sure you’re using kdesettings5 as you might have kdesettings from kde4 and that one replaces the new one in the start menu.
I think it was to soon to release this leap with this plasma5.
no plasma 5 was available for 13.2 since the beginning it just was not the default, it was kde upstream that decided kde4 is dead and no more work would go in it opensuse had nothing to do with it, actually it was the reason for the first time ever sle12 to ship with gnome instead of kde.
I’ve noticed, that upon the session login, there is 2 options for kde. I’ve try both, but didn’t see any differences…
As I recall, one just says plasma, and the other one kde…something.
Where can one see what kind of kde settings are active ?
thanks
one is the default the other one is the same both use kwin as window manager
if you install openbox you’ll see another plasma 5 desktop one that uses openbox as a window manager.
To be honest I’m not sure what the difference is, maybe the default one uses plasma’s default settings?
wolfi probably knows and will tell us 
They are exactly the same, except for the name.
“KDE Plasma Workspace” only exists for compatibility reasons when upgrading.
Btw, the Oxygen window decoration is still included, it just isn’t installed by default (I think).
The package is called oxygen5-decoration. If you are actually talking about the widget style, that’s oxygen5-style. And the icon theme is oxygen-icon-theme.
And you shouldn’t install decorations made for KDE4 or previous versions of Plasma5. They might just crash kwin or cause other problems.
If you used the “Get New Decorations” button in the settings, that are actually themes for the Aurorae theming engine, which has (and always had, even in KDE4) its own share of problems AFAIK.
Thanks
So to recap: For now, there’s 2 themes that more or less work in kde5.
This is very strange to Kde. One should die by config in kde. This way, it’s more simple.
And what do you mean with “theme” here now?
There are three window decorations included in kwin5/officially released by KDE (breeze, oxygen, and Plastik). All three should work, and do here.
But the configuration possibility is there, there’s no limit for 3rd parties to create new ones. And with Aurorae you don’t even have to write a line of code.
That said, I’m not sure about the current state of Aurorae. I know there were problems with it in the past, even in KDE4, though. And it is worse performance-wise than a “normal” deco written in C++.
PS: I just had a look at KDE4, and that came with 4 window decorations (Oxygen, Plastik, B II, Laptop). Not much difference really, is it?
FYI, I did try a random windeco theme from the “Get New Decorations” button now (for the first time ever), and had no problems with it, so it should actually work fine too.
But it was indeed quite slow here, especially noticable when resizing or maximizing/minimizing windows.
That’s not true.
Also SLE11 shipped with GNOME and no KDE already.
This decision is totally unrelated to the switch to Plasma5, and was done years before Plasma5 even was released…
OTOH, they do think of offering KDE (Plasma5 probably) as option for SLE12 in the near future AFAIK…
That was purely my speculation cos when sle12 came out (a year ago) kde4 was dead and there was no stable plasma 5, seeing the long life span of sle I deduced the reason there was no official kde (you can get it from obs) was that kde4 would get no support upstream and kde5 was not ready to ship.
or maybe my deduction was right, the reason they preferred gnome was because there was no stable kde at the time?
On Sat 19 Dec 2015 11:06:02 PM CST, wolfi323 wrote:
I_A;2743837 Wrote:
> actually it was the reason for the first time ever sle12 to ship with
> gnome instead of kde.
That’s not true.
Also SLE11 shipped with GNOME and no KDE already.
This decision is totally unrelated to the switch to Plasma5, and was
done years before Plasma5 even was released…
OTOH, they do think of offering KDE (Plasma5 probably) as option for
SLE12 in the near future AFAIK…
Hi
Just to clarify, SLE 11 SP0-4 shipped with KDE 4.x (SP4 has 4.3.5), SLE
12 only shipped with GNOME, this was only due to delays with KDE5 and
not being ready for testing during the beta phase so couldn’t be
integrated/tested in time.
There was some talk after SLE 12 was released for a community release
for SLE 12… maybe it’s still in the making?
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Really? Including the desktop?
Sorry if I was wrong, but I’m pretty sure I read on some mailinglist not too long ago that SLE11 didn’t offer KDE4 either.
Well, maybe it was that it doesn’t offer newer/current KDE releases, 4.3.5 is very old. (4.3.0 was released in 2009, the last bugfix update 4.3.5 followed in January 2010…)
There was some talk after SLE 12 was released for a community release
for SLE 12… maybe it’s still in the making?
Well, KDE:Frameworks5 is being built for SLE12 since a year ago.
But there are problems with too old or missing packages in SLE.
That actually also caused problems for Leap 42.1…
I am not sure if it is actually usable in SLE12, at least it’s outdated now too (the repo contains Plasma 5.3.2 and KF 5.12.0, while 5.5.1/5.17.0 are the current versions)
Well, KDE4 was not really dead yet.
But it was clear already that support would end in August 2015, that was what had been announced 2 years ago already (when 4.11 was released).
Of course not very advantageous for a fresh product that has to be supported for years to come…
And strictly speaking, Plasma5 was stable already one year ago (5.0 was released in July 2014).
13.2 (which was released around the same time as SLE12 AFAIK) did ship with Plasma 5.1.0 (as option, not as default of course)…
or maybe my deduction was right, the reason they preferred gnome was because there was no stable kde at the time?
As indicated, there were actually two “stable” KDE desktops at the time.
But one was to die upstream soon, the other was quite new (and there were problems building it for SLE). So that probably explains the decision to not include KDE at all. But I think it was not really because of the (in)stability of Plasma5, but rather because of packaging problems (missing dependencies, the openSUSE packages were quite fresh at the time and not really well tested, …)