KDE Desktop icons display after 20 seconds after bootup

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#1

Running TW, zypper dup on a daily basis (kernel 6.3.2-1-default), KDE/Plasma, X11
desktop machine with ASUS motherboard, AMD processor, AMD video, 64 gb RAM.

First off - this is not a critical problem - doesn’t appear to affect anything, except the visual delay. However, it is a behavior that showed up after a recent update (I assume). Also, this happens only with the desktop, not my laptop. The problem never existed previously

Problem:
Okay, when the desktop boots up, and KDE/Plasma is about to display the Desktop, most “everything” shows up - Conky monitor, KDE Panel at top, Latte Panel at bottom.

However, the Desktop icons show up 20-22 seconds after all those other Desktop visuals. The timing is very consistent - I’ve timed it a couple of times - exactly between 20-22 seconds. Also, if I click on some application (for example, a browser or Konsole or Dolphin icon),it will NOT be displayed until AFTER the Desktop icons are displayed.

I’m not the deeply technical troubleshooter, but I did some brief research on here and read a post or two about a “Logitech mouse” problem (I have a Logitech M510 wireless mouse with USB adapter), and I have run these commands to see if anything obvious is shown (my logic might be wrong).

An INTERESTING observation … if you look at these logs, the last TWO entries in each output are about 20 seconds apart. The mouse works as expected.

# dmesg | grep -i logitech
[    5.202387] usb 5-4.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
[    6.147409] input: Logitech USB Receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.0/0003:046D:C52B.0002/input/input0
[    6.204497] hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input0
[    6.264840] input: Logitech USB Receiver Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input2
[    6.264906] input: Logitech USB Receiver Consumer Control as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input3
[    6.324409] input: Logitech USB Receiver System Control as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input4
[    6.324463] hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0004: input,hiddev97,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input1
[    6.384767] hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0006: hiddev98,hidraw5: USB HID v1.11 Device [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2
[    6.640958] logitech-djreceiver 0003:046D:C52B.0006: hiddev97,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Device [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2
[    6.764198] input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025 Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:1025.0008/input/input8
[    6.764315] hid-generic 0003:046D:1025.0008: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:1
[    6.766211] input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:200a Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:200A.0009/input/input12
[    6.766402] hid-generic 0003:046D:200A.0009: input,hidraw5: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech Wireless Device PID:200a] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:2
[    6.823936] input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:1025.0008/input/input16
[    6.824030] logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:1025.0008: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:1
[    6.944193] input: Logitech \x19\x8c\xd9\x1a@ as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:200A.0009/input/input17
[    6.944318] logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:200A.0009: input,hidraw5: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech \x19\x8c\xd9\x1a@] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:2
[   34.157938] logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:1025.0008: HID++ 1.0 device connected.
daffy:~ #

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Next …

# journalctl | grep -i logitech
May 19 15:39:22 daffy kernel: usb 5-4.1: Manufacturer: Logitech
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech USB Receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.0/0003:046D:C52B.0002/input/input0
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input0
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech USB Receiver Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input2
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech USB Receiver Consumer Control as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input3
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech USB Receiver System Control as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.1/0003:046D:C52B.0004/input/input4
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0004: input,hiddev97,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input1
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: hid-generic 0003:046D:C52B.0006: hiddev98,hidraw5: USB HID v1.11 Device [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: logitech-djreceiver 0003:046D:C52B.0006: hiddev97,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Device [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025 Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:1025.0008/input/input8
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: hid-generic 0003:046D:1025.0008: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:1
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:200a Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:200A.0009/input/input12
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: hid-generic 0003:046D:200A.0009: input,hidraw5: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech Wireless Device PID:200a] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:2
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: input: Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb5/5-4/5-4.1/5-4.1:1.2/0003:046D:C52B.0006/0003:046D:1025.0008/input/input16
May 19 15:39:23 daffy kernel: logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:1025.0008: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech Wireless Device PID:1025] on usb-0000:0c:00.3-4.1/input2:1
May 19 15:39:50 daffy kernel: logitech-hidpp-device 0003:046D:1025.0008: HID++ 1.0 device connected.
daffy:~ #
Startup/boot; delay, pause, slow, long
#2

Your issue might be related to 217412 – Since kernel 6.3.1 logitech unify receiver not working properly, in particular the commit mentioned here https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217412#c28.

#3

Thanks @fkrueger …

Actually, I read those two links you provided , which is what inspired me to do my two log searches, then to create my post. :+1:

Unfortunately, I dont see any errors in my outputs. (compared to what’s reported in the two links).
Also, the mouse is functional when the desktop initially appears, until shutdown.

I may boot a previous kernel version and see if that reveals anything.

#4

You could also do a simple test to see if it is really the Logitech receiver. Start your computer with disconnected Logitech receiver and see if you have the same effect. You shouldn’t need the mouse for startup as the coursor is automatically in the password field of your login manager. After the system is up you can easily reconnect the receiver again…

#5

Thanks for your reply.

Removed USB receiver, booted up, logged in … same 22 second delay.
(and mouse worked after reconnecting receiver).

I also booted to kernel 6.2.10-1 (verses current 6.3.2-1) - same behavior.

Odd issue :slight_smile:

#6

I guess my issue is a bit perplexing :slight_smile:

So, a couple of things I’ve done:

  1. moved all documents (only about 10 docs, small in size) off the KDE Desktop elsewhere

  2. logged in with another user account that I’ve rarely used
    … the intent of that user account was just for testing stuff.

For (1), nothing changed - still takes 22 seconds from KDE login page until Desktop icons are shown.

For (2), that other user account, after KDE login screen, the Display renders as expected:
… Background image is shown
… Conky is shown
… KDE Dock at top is shown
… Desktop icons are shown (<==== as should be)
… Latte Dock at bottom is shown

All that is displayed within 2 seconds.

As a last resort, I will create a brand new user account for myself, and copy my current user (structure) directories and files to the new user account subdirectory … and if it “renders” as expected, I’ll use it and remove my original user account.

One last question (before I create new user) … is there a “KDE/Plasma user startup log” I can analyze for any delays ??

#7

Sessions are logged to journal. No delays on host 3400G:

karl@3400G:~> journalctl --user --boot --unit init.scope --grep Started 
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Save jAlbum Project Files.
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started D-Bus User Message Bus.
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Baloo File Indexer Daemon.
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started sandboxed app permission store.
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started flatpak document portal service.
Mai 21 13:28:37 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Config Module Initialization.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Daemon.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Global Shortcuts Server.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Session Management Server.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Window Manager.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started User preferences database.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE Plasma Workspace.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Proxies GTK DBus menus to a Plasma readable format.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Handle legacy xembed system tray icons.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KActivityManager Activity manager Service.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Xdg Desktop Portal For KDE.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KDE PolicyKit Authentication Agent.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Virtual filesystem service.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation).
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started PipeWire Multimedia Service.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Multimedia Service Session Manager.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Powerdevil.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Geoclue Demo agent.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Accessibility.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Set KDE_FULL_SESSION=1.
Mai 21 13:28:38 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Calendar Reminders.
Mai 21 13:28:39 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Konsole - Terminal.
Mai 21 13:28:39 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Portal service.
Mai 21 13:28:39 3400G systemd[1417]: Started KScreen.
Mai 21 13:28:39 3400G systemd[1417]: Started Firefox - Web Browser.
Mai 21 13:28:39 3400G systemd[1417]: Started /usr/bin/kalendarac.
Mai 21 13:28:40 3400G systemd[1417]: Started PipeWire PulseAudio.
karl@3400G:~>
#8

If it works for different user it is a user config problem.

Try clearing ~/.cache

#9

Deleted … didn’t work … still same delay problem.

#10

Hmmm. Nothing:

aggie@daffy:~> journalctl --user --boot --unit init.scope --grep Started
No journal files were found.
-- No entries --
aggie@daffy:~>
#11

Journal files of host 3400G:

3400G:~ # ll /var/log/journal/94f3af277bac4a8eb57da425c9677379/
total 885208
-rw-r-----  1 root systemd-journal  8388608 May 22 21:39 system.journal
-rw-r-----  1 root systemd-journal 16777216 May 16 19:12 system@0005fbd2b70866f0-93891e5a840c43c0.journal~
-rw-r-----  1 root systemd-journal  8388608 May 16 21:58 system@0005fbd50137cb5f-145fe6a230c2818d.journal~
-rw-r-----  1 root systemd-journal  8388608 May 16 22:00 system@0005fbd50c713fb0-a1689880745e530d.journal~
...
-rw-r-----+ 1 root systemd-journal 16777216 May 22 21:40 user-1000.journal
-rw-r-----+ 1 root systemd-journal 33554432 May 16 08:39 user-1000@0005fbc9d65ba065-a0cad33c1699d91d.journal~
-rw-r-----+ 1 root systemd-journal 25165824 May 16 19:12 user-1000@0005fbd2b79783e5-34f995f327d92c18.journal~
-rw-r-----+ 1 root systemd-journal 16777216 May 16 21:59 user-1000@0005fbd50141d65b-0972457285aecd16.journal~
-rw-r-----+ 1 root systemd-journal  8388608 May 16 22:00 user-1000@0005fbd50d1b4ac1-6a6faaa674703124.journal~
...

Did you tinker with your system?

#12

Only tinkering is a zypper dup every day.

Interesting:

daffy:~ # ll /var/log/journal/
ls: cannot access '/var/log/journal/': No such file or directory

If I run with --system and grep for username, i get

aggie@daffy:~> journalctl --system --boot --unit init.scope --grep Started --grep aggie
May 22 06:55:26 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 3 of User aggie.
May 22 07:09:07 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 7 of User aggie.
May 22 07:38:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 10 of User aggie.
May 22 07:53:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 18 of User aggie.
May 22 08:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 26 of User aggie.
May 22 08:09:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 34 of User aggie.
May 22 08:12:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 38 of User aggie.
May 22 08:13:22 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 42 of User aggie.
May 22 08:17:33 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 50 of User aggie.
May 22 10:52:32 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 58 of User aggie.
May 22 11:10:42 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 66 of User aggie.
May 22 11:14:02 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 74 of User aggie.
aggie@daffy:~>

If i run with --system and without the grep, we see all

aggie@daffy:~> journalctl --system --boot --unit init.scope --grep Started
May 22 06:47:03 daffy systemd[1]: Started Rule-based Manager for Device Events and Files.
May 22 06:47:04 daffy systemd[1]: Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen.
May 22 06:47:04 daffy systemd[1]: Started Forward Password Requests to Plymouth Directory Watch.
May 22 06:47:07 daffy systemd[1]: Started Rule-based Manager for Device Events and Files.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Entropy Daemon based on the HAVEGE algorithm.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Load/Save RF Kill Switch Status.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Security Auditing Service.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Watch /etc/sysconfig/btrfsmaintenance.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Watch for changes in CA certificates.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started CUPS Scheduler.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Watch for changes in smartmontools sysconfig file.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daily Cleanup of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daily Cleanup of Temporary Directories.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started irqbalance daemon.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started D-Bus System Message Bus.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Self Monitoring and Reporting Technology (SMART) Daemon.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Name Service Cache Daemon.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Machine Check Exception Logging Daemon.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Authorization Manager.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Bluetooth service.
May 22 06:47:08 daffy systemd[1]: Started Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Stack.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started wicked DHCPv6 supplicant service.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started wicked DHCPv4 supplicant service.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started wicked AutoIPv4 supplicant service.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Login Management.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started Modem Manager.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started wicked network management service daemon.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started wicked network nanny service.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started VirtualBox Linux kernel module.
May 22 06:47:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started vboxautostart-service.service.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started System Logging Service.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started OpenSSH Daemon.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started NTP client/server.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Backup of RPM database.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Backup of /etc/sysconfig.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Balance block groups on a btrfs filesystem.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Scrub btrfs filesystem, verify block checksums.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Check if mainboard battery is Ok.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Discard unused blocks once a week.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daily rotation of log files.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daily man-db regeneration.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Balance block groups on a btrfs filesystem.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started CUPS Scheduler.
May 22 06:47:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Getty on tty1.
May 22 06:47:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started X Display Manager.
May 22 06:47:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started Postfix Mail Transport Agent.
May 22 06:47:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started Command Scheduler.
May 22 06:47:17 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 06:47:17 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 1 of User sddm.
May 22 06:47:18 daffy systemd[1]: Started Disk Manager.
May 22 06:47:18 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daemon for power management.
May 22 06:55:26 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 06:55:26 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 3 of User aggie.
May 22 06:55:27 daffy systemd[1]: Started RealtimeKit Scheduling Policy Service.
May 22 06:55:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 06:55:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started Power Profiles daemon.
May 22 06:55:29 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 06:57:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Daily Cleanup of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 06:57:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 07:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:04:31 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:07:58 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:09:00 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 07:09:00 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 5 of User sddm.
May 22 07:09:07 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 7 of User aggie.
May 22 07:09:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 07:09:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 07:11:42 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:12:49 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:32:42 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:37:38 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 07:37:58 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 07:37:58 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 8 of User sddm.
May 22 07:38:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1002.
May 22 07:38:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 10 of User aggien.
May 22 07:38:14 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 07:46:21 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 07:46:21 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 12 of User sddm.
May 22 07:47:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 07:47:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 14 of User root.
May 22 07:47:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 07:52:57 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 07:52:57 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 16 of User sddm.
May 22 07:53:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1002.
May 22 07:53:10 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 18 of User aggien.
May 22 07:53:13 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 07:54:13 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 07:54:13 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 20 of User sddm.
May 22 07:54:27 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 07:54:27 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 22 of User root.
May 22 07:54:30 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:00:00 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 08:00:00 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 08:00:02 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:00:02 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 24 of User sddm.
May 22 08:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1002.
May 22 08:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 26 of User aggien.
May 22 08:00:55 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22079/UID 0).
May 22 08:00:55 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:00:55 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22143/UID 0).
May 22 08:00:56 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22226/UID 0).
May 22 08:00:56 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22288/UID 0).
May 22 08:00:57 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22307/UID 0).
May 22 08:01:59 daffy systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 22513/UID 0).
May 22 08:02:21 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:02:21 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 28 of User sddm.
May 22 08:02:40 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 08:02:40 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 30 of User root.
May 22 08:02:43 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:08:53 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:08:53 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 32 of User sddm.
May 22 08:09:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1002.
May 22 08:09:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 34 of User aggien.
May 22 08:09:14 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 08:09:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:12:03 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:12:03 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 36 of User sddm.
May 22 08:12:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 08:12:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 38 of User aggie.
May 22 08:12:13 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 08:12:14 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:13:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:13:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 40 of User sddm.
May 22 08:13:22 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1002.
May 22 08:13:22 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 42 of User aggien.
May 22 08:13:24 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 08:13:25 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:14:27 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:14:27 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 44 of User sddm.
May 22 08:14:49 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 08:14:49 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 46 of User root.
May 22 08:14:51 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 08:15:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 08:17:09 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 08:17:24 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 08:17:24 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 48 of User sddm.
May 22 08:17:33 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 08:17:33 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 50 of User aggie.
May 22 08:17:34 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 08:17:36 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 09:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 09:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 10:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 10:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 10:50:04 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 10:50:04 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 52 of User sddm.
May 22 10:50:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 10:50:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 54 of User root.
May 22 10:50:30 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 10:52:23 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 10:52:23 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 56 of User sddm.
May 22 10:52:32 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 10:52:32 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 58 of User aggie.
May 22 10:52:33 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 10:52:35 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 10:53:51 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 10:53:51 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 60 of User sddm.
May 22 10:54:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 10:54:15 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 62 of User root.
May 22 10:54:17 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 11:00:11 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 11:00:11 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 11:10:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 11:10:28 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 64 of User sddm.
May 22 11:10:42 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 11:10:42 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 66 of User aggie.
May 22 11:10:44 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 11:10:45 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 11:12:05 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 11:12:05 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 68 of User sddm.
May 22 11:12:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0.
May 22 11:12:16 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 70 of User root.
May 22 11:12:18 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 11:13:51 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 460.
May 22 11:13:51 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 72 of User sddm.
May 22 11:14:02 daffy systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1000.
May 22 11:14:02 daffy systemd[1]: Started Session 74 of User aggie.
May 22 11:14:04 daffy systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
May 22 11:14:05 daffy systemd[1]: Started PackageKit Daemon.
May 22 12:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 12:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 13:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 13:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 14:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 14:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 15:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 15:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 16:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 16:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
May 22 17:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started Timeline of Snapper Snapshots.
May 22 17:00:12 daffy systemd[1]: Started DBus interface for snapper.
aggie@daffy:~>
#13

Try and enable persistent logging, see man systemd-journald and retry.

In the long term users maintaining Tumbleweed benefit from some basic knowledge: How To Use Journalctl to View and Manipulate Systemd Logs | DigitalOcean

BTW: System startup heavily dumps core.

You may want to fix this.

#14

Thanks !!!
Updated to persistent

Also, I dont see Core Dumps now.

aggie@daffy:~> ll /var/log/journal/
total 4
drwxr-sr-x 1 root systemd-journal 62 May 22 23:49 8937ad99ce974e9397e8223fdf5f5d71
-----------------------

aggie@daffy:~> journalctl --user --boot --unit init.scope --grep Started
May 22 23:49:26 daffy systemd[2112]: Started D-Bus User Message Bus.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Baloo File Indexer Daemon.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started sandboxed app permission store.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started flatpak document portal service.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Config Module Initialization.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Unlock kwallet from pam credentials.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Daemon.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Global Shortcuts Server.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Window Manager.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Session Management Server.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started User preferences database.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Plasma Workspace.
May 22 23:49:27 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Proxies GTK DBus menus to a Plasma readable format.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Handle legacy xembed system tray icons.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KActivityManager Activity manager Service.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Xdg Desktop Portal For KDE.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE PolicyKit Authentication Agent.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Track hardware statistics.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Virtual filesystem service.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Powerdevil.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KDE Connect.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Latte.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Geoclue Demo agent.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Accessibility.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Calendar Reminders.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Set KDE_FULL_SESSION=1.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Accessibility services bus.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started /usr/bin/kalendarac.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started conky.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started KScreen.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation).
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started PipeWire Multimedia Service.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Multimedia Service Session Manager.
May 22 23:49:28 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Portal service.
May 22 23:49:30 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Sound Service.
May 22 23:50:06 daffy systemd[2112]: Started Konsole - Terminal.
aggie@daffy:~>
#15

Well, fixed rear brakes on Jeep, and replaced fuel filter on zero turn then mowed for over 2 hours :slight_smile:

Now back to fixing the icon display lag on the desktop. (yes still a problem). If anyone has an idea to try, let me know … meanwhile, I’m off to search for a fix :+1:

#16

It appears to be a user config problem since it is OK with different user removing your cache as you may miss some since the files may be in use best to switch to root in a terminal to remove ~/.cache.If that does not work zap the ~/.config files Note this will remove all settings for your desktop and you will be using the system defaults. If you like puzzles you can deal with the KDE config files one at a time and maybe save some DT customization .

#17

Your suggestion #1 … you already posted that in here and I replied - scroll back 2 days ago.

I’ll try #2 , but yea, that’s also a bit “extreme” - was looking for something a bit less intrusive. But, if it works, it might indicate where the issue lies.

#18

Well, I did this … but the result is as if this is a new user and logging in for the first time. Though, it suggests there is probably something amiss in .config.

But that’s like telling someone to replace their engine in their car because it won’t start, when it’s simply a bad battery.

I’ll keep looking.

There is something that is happening after the login screen until the KDE Plasma desktop is fully displayed, with icons. And like I said, just after login, if I click on Dolphin or Chrome or Konsole, they will NOT be displayed until AFTER the desktop icons are shown.

So there must be some process that’s running and no other Desktop activity can be performed until AFTER that process is complete (and the icons show up).

#19

I was hoping if I jump to runlevel 3, login, then run startx (and redirect to a file), I might see something amiss. Nothing special … I also jumped to runlevel 3, logged in as another user, and ran startx … same output (but they see desktop icons immediately).

xauth:  file /home/aggie/.serverauth.9783 does not exist
xauth: (argv):1:  bad display name "daffy:0" in "list" command
xauth: (stdin):1:  bad display name "daffy:0" in "add" command

X.Org X Server 1.21.1.8
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Current Operating System: Linux daffy 6.3.2-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon May 15 15:59:38 UTC 2023 (70ea6f6) x86_64
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.3.2-1-default root=UUID=7875dffe-6f22-49b3-b556-999f5ee119e3 splash=silent resume=/dev/disk/by-id/nvme-Samsung_SSD_970_EVO_500GB_S466NX0K730463Z-part4 quiet security=apparmor
 
Current version of pixman: 0.42.2
	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/home/aggie/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May 24 21:01:47 2023
(==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff (Operation not permitted)
/usr/libexec/xinit/xinitrc: Checking whether an input method should be started.
/usr/libexec/xinit/xinitrc: Checking whether an input method is specified in /home/aggie/.i18n.
sourcing /etc/sysconfig/language to get the value of INPUT_METHOD
INPUT_METHOD is not set or empty (no user selected input method).
Trying to start a default input method for the locale en_US.UTF-8 ...
There is no default input method for the current locale.
Dummy input method "none" (do not use any fancy input method by default)
kdeinit5_wrapper: Warning: connect(/run/user/1000/kdeinit5__0) failed: : No such file or directory
Error: Can not contact kdeinit5!
startkde: Starting up...
startkde: Shutting down...
startkde: Done.

xinit: connection to X server lost
waiting for X server to shut down (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
xauth: (argv):1:  bad display name "daffy:0" in "remove" command
#20

Nothing useful to see above. Show the full session log. Pipe the output of journalctl --user --boot to susepaste. Post the link to the paste in your comment here.