KDE crash

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I am running 3 days ago installed openSuse 12.1 in a computer with Intel chipset and SSD. KDE crashes several times a day. All freezes and to go on, I have to log out and log in. One quit easy way to freeze KDE is to open Dolphin in 3 panels, then select all files in the third panel and try to drag them to the first. If there is behind Dolphin another window, it pops up and Dolphin disappears and taskbar etc, too. I may be able to close other applications with ctrl-q but that is not always possible. If there are unsaved documents, changes are lost.

I do not know if that has anything to do with Firefox, but yesterday Firefox crached always when I tried to open HS.fi. It was loading, I think, some adds from a German server. All other site worked.

I am wondering why Dolphin is still in use as a default, it seems oldfashioned and is not very handy, aren’t there any better. I used command line interpreters in the 80’s, now it must be GUI.

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That site works OK for me in Firefox

I’ve never tried what you are doing in Dolphin, it should work I agree. But at the same time it also sounds like a action that would be problematic.
You can easily make Konqueror the file manager. Did you try using Konqueror?

You should disable desktop effects, to reliably provide info on application behaviour.

Perhaps too. Tell us about your hardware. One way to do that easily is, open a terminal and post the result of:

/sbin/lspci -nnk
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On 01/20/2012 05:06 PM, psammalisto wrote:
> now it must be GUI.

no, you can use Midnight Commander in the CLI to move files without any
problems from Dolphin…

but, you system sound seriously mess up! very broken!! i wonder if this
is the same system you had trouble with last october, runnign 11.4…

did you ever get a stable, dependable openSUSE 11.4 fully updated and
smooth??

and, how did you get from 11.4 to 12.1 ?? (i ask because it sure sounds
like you did not successfully make the transition)

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Yes, this is the very same computer. Actually I never could get a stable v. 11.4 system, so I gave up and tried next distro. Most of them did not install at all. The best was Scientific Linux 6.1, but that also had a bad feature. After some 10 minutes, if I did not do anything, it went to sleep and never woke up again. At least the terminal was showing no signal all the time and I could not do anything. I disabled all screen and power savers without any effect.

CentoOS people told that the problems with installing 6.0 comes, because 6.0 do not have drivers for those Intel chips, 6.1 will have but it was not yet released by then and they told that Scientific Linux 6.1 has the drivers.

Suse 12.1 was easy to install and works fine in spite of the problems with KDE. Several times UI freezes or become very slow. The only help is to log off and on. One problem is also, that 12.1 uses general display drivers and that is why I cannot use 1600x1200 resolution. I tried to install Intel drivers to Scientific Linux, but after installation of some 6 missing packages I gave up. Gnome partition manager is this far the only Linux, which can show 1600x1200.

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I have learned that drag and drop from Windows and it is hard to give up. I used Konqueror as a file manager in Suse version 9 or so, that was default, I think, but later some how it was replaced, do not understand why. What is the command to make Konqueror to work as a file manager?
Intel is not very unknown company and it’s chip sets are used in several laptops and also in some other main boards in addition to mine. Actually, my main board is made by Intel. I have lspci file ready, but could not find how to attach it, cannot find button “Manage Attachements”.

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SUSE Paste

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;)Nice, thank you. There seems still to be something in Suse I do not know. Actually I know quite little about Linux, because my main job is to make Windows programs.

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my main job is to make Windows programs
Well that’s fine. Good to know you have fine employment.

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Right, I fully agree.

It is a lot easier and faster to make programs to Windows, especially GUIs, than e.g. to Linux. I made programs in the 80’s some 10+ years mainly to VMS and Unix (I have made programs using the real TTY), after that 15 years to Windows and now last 2 years mainly to Anroid, AVR, ARM and Linux, so I have some perspective. Tools and farmeworks in Windows are a lot better.

There is a huge intellectual resource behind Linux. Pitty that Linux world cannot focuse the resources to one distro. As long as Linux world is as disperced as it is now, Linux cannot compete with Windows or Apple, not at least in those markets where the demand is big. Linux will stay in niche markets.

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If you want bugs to get fixed you have to report them at bugs.kde.org.

Because dolphin is under active development (as you can see quite clearly when using KDE 4.8) while konqueror is not. This implies that dolphin seems to be more popular than konqueror rather than old-fashioned and not handy. Otherwise there would be tons of people working on konqueror and nobody on the allegedly broken dolphin.

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Of course any one inspired individual could take open code and re-brand and close it.
That’s all Apple did

Unfortunately that doesn’t interest me.

I find great pleasure in variety.

Of course the overall details are more complex and primarily involve big business and big money.
The word Free doesn’t interest them.

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On 02/05/2012 10:36 AM, psammalisto wrote:
> Linux will stay in niche markets.

right! i guess by that you mean open source or maybe even non-Windows…

free and open and unix like software is already everywhere, like main
frames, super computers, phones, tablets, Naval battle ships, TVs,
telephones, huge corporation’s back office servers, internet servers,
internet routers, space ships, satellites…

right now there are very few niches that Linux/*nix/open source does not
own: games, desktops, desktop games, game desktops…

wait: what about PlayStation, & Nintendo, maybe Windows lags there also!

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http://tinyurl.com/DD-Software
Read what Distro Watch writes: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

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When Firefox crashes, it asks if it is allowed to send information about the crash and I always answer yes, so the developers should have quite a lot information by now.

It was last week or so I downloaded some hundreds of megabytes of code in order to be able to give better error reports. It seems to work although cannot be sure. I think, I myself hardly can give better information. I changed to konqueror, and also it crashes, so the real problem is in KDE or somewhere else. If I select several files and try to drag them to another directory, the browser crashes, but if I, after selecting, choose copy and then paste to the other directory, that works.

Why I was wondering, that Dolphin still crashes,was because I did not know it is under development. I seemed the same, I used some time in late 90’s in Suse 8,9 or so, but I seem to be wrong.

Ok, there are also some other “errors”, I could tell, but I do not know exactly where to. One is that KDE is a little to sensitive. I mean, if I want to draw a window wider, the area I have to point with the mouse cursor is only some pixels wide and often happens that when I press the left button down, KDE pops up the window behind and when I drag, it moves that window. So the result is, that the window I tried to widen disappears and the window I did not want to move will be moved.

About the same happens also when there are e.g. some buttons in the bottom of a window and the windows bottom is nead the task bar and there are buttons e.d. Konqueror horizontaly in the same place. When I move the cursor to the button in the window, a transparen Konqueror window pops up and I cannot press the button I ought to. I am not sure, but it may be that, it is enough, that to happen, is that the bottom of the mouse arrow goes onto the task bar button.

When I now started, I want to mention still one thing. That is the same in Linux and in Windows, I mean transparency. When I move a window it becomes transparent. I do not find this very good. It is harder to see the borders of the window I am moving and also the windows behind, and mainly that is the important thing. If I had to position a window excactly over another one, maybe a little smaller one, this might be handy, but generally I just move the window to another place e.g. to see another window better. If the window, I am moving, is not transparent, I can notice better, when I have moved enough. Transparency looks nice, but to my mind it is not very user friendly. I have been making some 15 years GUIs for users who are using the program 8 hours a day, so I might see thinks a little different than occasional users.
Maybe this feature can be disabled.

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Yes, I know, Linux is in vast number of different kind of computers, servers and embedded systems. I have subscribed to three “Linux” magazines, German IX and Linux magazine and Swedish Dator. IX writes mainly about those systems (Linux servers) where there are several thousands of users and as many processors. That is strickly speaking not for me, but it is interesting to see, what the big ones are using. Linux magazine writes more, what I see as Linux. That is desktop and laptop systems and also smaller servers. Dator is not Linux magazine, but there are always some 10-20 pages for Linux users. Linux magazine and Dator writes about those things, that big public and me, when I say Linux, think, is Linux and that Linux is small player, because that development is so dispersed. It is perfectly OK, when some like caf4926 like to make his own Linux system, but I would like to see Linux as a real competitor to Windows. Not because Linux, understood as mentioned above, were good, the GUIs are not very good, but because I do not find monopolies are good for the economy.

Because this is Suse forum I might say that the best in Linux (Suse) after kernel is YaST. I have used that from the beginning, Suse version 8 or so, although I do not remember if that was the name by then, but GUI istalling program anyway.