Hello,
I’m recently experiencing usability problems with my KDE 4.3 always up to date. My system is becoming really difficult to use as I’m also a Windows user.
Here are my troubles:
*URL highlighting
Wherever in my system I higlight a URL with my mouse, a pop-up window appears asking me to open that URL in Firefox, or send its link via Thunerbird.
OK, that’s really funny, but I’m not comfortable with it: often I just have to copy and paste the URL to another place than browser’s URL field, and this forces me to remember to press ESC and I get stuck with it when I forgot and rapidly use keyboard and mouse and then lose more time
*Screensaver’s password box disappearing: since before the upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2 when I was going to exit the screensaver the login box displays just as a big empty gray box: I can actually type my password, press enter, and be back into the system. But it doesn’t look good… I cannot even use the change user function as no button is displayed!
*Automatic copy of highlighted text: THIS IS THE ONE I HATE MOST>:(>:(>:(
When I highlight text it automatically gets copied to the clipboard!! So if I select and copy text, ie. from browser, and try to REPLACE another text field in any program I simply get the same text back and not the one I copied!!!
This is really frustrating, as it’s been years that I highlight the text I want to replace, and it’s going to be really difficult to change my attitude!
> Hello,
> I’m recently experiencing usability problems with my KDE 4.3 always up
> to date. My system is becoming really difficult to use as I’m also a
> Windows user.
>
> Here are my troubles:
>
> *URL highlighting
> Wherever in my system I higlight a URL with my mouse, a pop-up window
> appears asking me to open that URL in Firefox, or send its link via
> Thunerbird.
> OK, that’s really funny, but I’m not comfortable with it: often I just
> have to copy and paste the URL to another place than browser’s URL
> field, and this forces me to remember to press ESC and I get stuck with
> it when I forgot and rapidly use keyboard and mouse and then lose
> more time
>
There should be a button on the pop up window to dissable it, I did this
as I also found this feature annoying.
> *Screensaver’s password box disappearing: since before the upgrade from
> 11.1 to 11.2 when I was going to exit the screensaver the login box
> displays just as a big empty gray box: I can actually type my password,
> press enter, and be back into the system. But it doesn’t look good… I
> cannot even use the change user function as no button is displayed!
>
I have had problems with the password box reapearing with some
screensavers, but it seems to work fine with others. You could try
changing screensavers to see if you have similar results.
> *Automatic copy of highlighted text: THIS IS THE ONE I HATE
> MOST>:(>:(>:(
> When I highlight text it automatically gets copied to the clipboard!!
> So if I select and copy text, ie. from browser, and try to REPLACE
> another text field in any program I simply get the same text back and
> not the one I copied!!!
> This is really frustrating, as it’s been years that I highlight the
> text I want to replace, and it’s going to be really difficult to change
> my attitude!
I have never experienced this, I copy text and highlight the text I am
going to paste it on all the time. Unless this is linked to the first
problem you mentioned which, as I said, I dissabled when it first
appeared on my computer.
>
> Can somebody help me please?
> Thank you in advance
> My system is becoming really difficult to use as I’m also a
> Windows user.
i really hate it when i use Windows and it will NOT automatically copy
highlighted text to the clipboard—that is so stupid to not do such
an obvious thing!
why would anyone want to highlight text and not copy it? i mean, do
you highlight text just so it is highlighted, and you then STOP it
from being highlighted and move to some other text and highlight it,
then move again? i mean, when you highlight text is is SO you can then
make another movement and then copy to clip board…
make it automatic in Windows…do NOT even think about changing it
in Linux!
and screensaver with password: just turn it off…or do you think the
password protects you machine? nope, walk away from it and it will NOT
be safe from me! turn off the password, it just gives you a false
sense of security…and, by the way, screen savers were invented in
the '80s when screens would be ruined if the same thing stay on the
screen for hours…that will NOT happen now, so now all they do is
waster CPU cycles and energy…
actually, the easiest way to solve all those problems is do what i
did: banish Redmond from all computers in my reach and get used to
doing highlight->copy to clip board all the time, everywhere…(unless
you get forced into an internet cafe on a trip and must use the
so-last-century (Windows) way of doing stuff, the hard way…
Sometimes you just want to replace the text. You know highlight then ctrl-V but if the system copies the text you end up pasting the value you just selected.
I have only noticed this when pasting a link to FF ie highlight the current link and paste a new one but that now does not work you have to go to Klipper and select the previous text. It is definitely a feature I could do without!!!
gogalthorp wrote:
> You know highlight then ctrl-V
no, i don’t know ctrl-V…
i do know (without having to think about it):
ctrl-del
ctrl-insert
ctrl-backspace
shift-insert
shift-del
shift-enter
and some others…most of which don’t see to work the same way in all
of Redmond’s offerings, which is one reason i find it so frustrating
and stupid every time i’m forced to use alien proprietary in a
library, internet cafe, hotel’s complementary internet koisk, etc…
[OT]
Palladium, please keep the discussion constructive.
I know both shift-ins and ctrl-v.
You are criticizing Windows excessively. There are lots of reasons for one to use both OSes.
I love free software, I love Linux, but if I complain about some of the behaviour of Windows (not here of course) I try to be constructive.
Repeating the word “stupid” doesn’t help anyone. The most powerful feature of KDE is customizability, so you can make the system behave like you want. YOU want it to copy your highlighted text, I don’t, someone else might want to cut it instead (and paste with double click): that’s simple.
If you don’t like something about Windows, you should tell Microsoft (in a polite way, possibly) because every serious company appreciate customer feedback, even if negative. It will just help them to make a better Windows, and there is much to do with it.
I won’t stop providing customer feedback to both Windows and Linux ecosystems because I, as developer and software engineer, believe it helps create better software.
You select text by pressing the left mouse key at one side, moving to the other and then release the mouse. That text is then somewhere in a buffer. You can paste it somewhere else by going there, press/release he left mouse key where you want it and then press/release the middle mouse button to copy the buffer there.
That is how it works, already in CDE, already 20 years.
Later they found out that it could be usefull to have a stack of those buffers. You then can get back to a selection some steps ago without searching for that text again. Someone called it a Clipboard because it has to fit in the idiot idea of the desktop methaphore. The idea being that a sentient being can not understand a computer feature when it has no equivalence in the daily life of the last century.
Who uses CTRL-V and the like is not worth using Linux rotfl!
djechelon wrote:
> Palladium, please keep the discussion constructive.
no, you miss my point, which is VERY constructive:
many want to come here with the assumption that the way they already
are used to doing some computer task is the only good idea of how to
do it (like cut/copy and paste, or install software or or or or)…
and, therefore want to figure out how to get KDE/openSUSE/Linux to
mimic Redmond’s way of doing thins…
instead, i recommend you learn to do it two ways (or three or
four)…and if you do, eventually you might find something that works
a LOT better…and, get out of the habit of doing it your old way…
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:36:01 +0000, djechelon wrote:
> Sorry, it didn’t work like that. The best option is
>
> Select all target text -> delete
> Select all source text (copy)
> Paste over target text
>
>
>
> After the fix it works fine
>
Yes, that was my point - not to explain to you how to do it, but to
explain to palladium some use cases where selecting text is not used as a
precursor to “copy”.
>
> You select text by pressing the left mouse key at one side, moving to
> the other and then release the mouse. That text is then somewhere in a
> buffer. You can paste it somewhere else by going there, press/release he
> left mouse key where you want it and then press/release the middle mouse
> button to copy the buffer there.
>
> That is how it works, already in CDE, already 20 years.
>
> Later they found out that it could be usefull to have a stack of those
> buffers. You then can get back to a selection some steps ago without
> searching for that text again. Someone called it a Clipboard because it
> has to fit in the idiot idea of the desktop methaphore. The idea being
> that a sentient being can not understand a computer feature when it has
> no equivalence in the daily life of the last century.
>
> Who uses CTRL-V and the like is not worth using Linux rotfl!
Come now - there are uses for the old behavior. I frequently use the old
style to copy text then replace highlighted text in another document. Very
handy in SQL scripts where the database get really picky about syntax.
However it’s used I put this into the category as the argument over block
oriented vs. line oriented marking/cut-paste in Kwrite - except that has a
simpler hot-key switch for convenience. Both are tools, not religions.
Sorry it didn’t work. Could it be a configuration problem after years of upgrades? I’ll try to make a new user account and see if with fresh .kde4 directory that works again.
and then lose more time
