I am only posting as I have not seen any posts about kde 4.11 which was released this week.
I updated using:
Index of /repositories/KDE:/Release:/411/openSUSE_12.3
and it installed fine.
JFI
updated likewise this morning,
all ok on pc
with laptop, on first reboot had lots of kde fatal errors,
could see gui desktop but kbd and mouse not functional,
manual rebooted to terminal and renamed dir /home/<username>/.kde/,
rebooted ok to virgin desktop and no anomalies noticed there after
(aya desktop theme had been selected on both machines,
also same icons in system tray and in task manager)
cheers
keellambert wrote:
> all ok on pc
>
> with laptop, on first reboot had lots of kde fatal errors,
> could see gui desktop but kbd and mouse not functional,
> manual rebooted to terminal and renamed dir /home/<username>/.kde/,
> rebooted ok to virgin desktop and no anomalies noticed there after
> (aya desktop theme had been selected on both machines,
> also same icons in system tray and in task manager)
That doesn’t sound like “all ok” to me.
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Chris Maaskant
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:03:54 +0000, Chris Maaskant wrote:
> keellambert wrote:
>
>> all ok on pc
>>
>> with laptop, on first reboot had lots of kde fatal errors,
>> could see gui desktop but kbd and mouse not functional,
>> manual rebooted to terminal and renamed dir /home/<username>/.kde/,
>> rebooted ok to virgin desktop and no anomalies noticed there after (aya
>> desktop theme had been selected on both machines,
>> also same icons in system tray and in task manager)
>
> That doesn’t sound like “all ok” to me.
on PC, but not on laptop, that’s how I read it. 
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>> That doesn’t sound like “all ok” to me.
>
> on PC, but not on laptop, that’s how I read it.
You’re right
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Chris Maaskant
Updated to kde 4.11 on laptop and everything not ok. On restart desktop comes up, but then shortly disappears,then reappears and disappears again, then does not come back after that and the screen is just black. can run apps by using alt f2 keys combination, use ctrl esc or ctrl alt del.
Any ideas of how to get the desktop back?
on laptop when kde did not start,
icon and theme selection was assumed as the problem
changing the name of /home/<username>/.kde4/
(oops, note: typing error in post #2)
this forces kde to rebuild this directory
this anomaly has been seen before with respect to
AYA theme and pc’s
cheers
This is probably not fully up to date but as you can see there are still some things to do
Schedules/KDE4/4.11 Feature Plan - KDE TechBase
Rumour has it that the releases will be bug fixes and no new features now. If I remember correctly 4.13 should be the next fully stable release. Version 5 moves some of kde into Qt, – as I understand it windows management and the library files concerned with that sort of thing.
There used to be some information about on the web concerning running multiple versions of kde on the same machine. A quick look couldn’t find it. I assume it’s a case of running a selectable kde start up plus suitable directory name / path changes. A bit safer than just updating and hoping. One of the problems in this area is not knowing what changes disro packagers have made. This area touches on why OpenSuse often offers the most reliable KDE based distro. rotfl!More inclined to say always really. The KDE people still seem to be suggesting that 4.10 is the best version for most users as well. This may seem odd to people who have been using windows but it’s normal for KDE and many applications under Linux. Some people like testing buggy software, others like finding out what is actually causing the problems - fortunately there are sufficient people about who do this sort of thing to allow periodic “stable” releases.
John
You seem to see this bug: Access Denied
Run plasma manually by typing Alt+F2 and entering “plasma-desktop”. It should work then.
You may have to kill it first though, so it doesn’t try to restart by itself.
Then remove the two launchers for the Webbrowser and Filemanager from your taskbar. It shouldn’t crash then afterwards.
That’s not always fully up-to-date or even complete… 
And those things there that are not done yet, won’t ever be in any 4.11.x release, since those are bugfix only releases.
Rumour has it that the releases will be bug fixes and no new features now. If I remember correctly 4.13 should be the next fully stable release.
The next stable release will be 4.12 (well actually 4.11.1 ). But kde-workspace (plasma and so on) will be feature-frozen (only bugfixes allowed) from now on, until KDE5.
And btw, kdelibs is in bugfix-only mode already for a while now…
Version 5 moves some of kde into Qt, – as I understand it windows management and the library files concerned with that sort of thing.
I don’t see why window management should be moved into Qt, I think you misunderstood something there…
But yes, things from KDE do get moved to Qt all the time and especially now with Qt5.
After all, kdelibs is just an extension to Qt in some areas.
The KDE people still seem to be suggesting that 4.10 is the best version for most users as well.
First time I hear of this and don’t believe it.
After all 4.11 was announced as long-term-support release (regarding kde-workspace).
But of course at this point of time (with 4.11.0 being brand new), there could still be bugs (as with every other 4.x.0 release before).
Has there been changes to PackageKit. When updating my KDE repository to 4.11 on my openSUSE 12.3 I noticed that the PackageKit packages where no longer in that repository. Should I install it from openSUSE repositories (where it is available as a downgrade) or simply remove PackageKit?
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:16:01 GMT
John 82 <John_82@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> There used to be some information about on the web concerning running
> multiple versions of kde on the same machine.
Trouble with that, at least for me, is that versions are very often
incompatible. Updating from one version to another sometimes requires
removing (renaming actually) .kde4 and then copying bits from the old
folder where possible and just accepting that some settings will need
altering as I spot them. If I were then to switch back to a previous
version, the remade .kde4 might not be compatible and I’d have to
rename the new and old folders. I’d not recommend that.
This problem doesn’t occur on every KDE update but with three machines
I find it usually happens on at least one of them. Glad I no longer use
kdepim as that adds another possibility for confusion.
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Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.3 (64-bit); KDE 4.11.0; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Kernel: 3.10.6; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306
Personally I stick to the “stable” releases but from a past experience now stick with the version that came with the opensuse distro I am using. I once used the kde update facility rather than official YAST distro releases. Historically these are unlikely to change the kde release number.
Running 2 versions of kde probably means building from source leaving the existing installation alone. Basically it ends up with 2 items which will be called something like start kde. From memory as this could definitely be done on kde3 the choice could be made at kde login. File incompatibility is taken care of by use of different directories and the other install remains as it was. I would be rather surprised if the basics of this aspect have changed much as devs often need it as do very sharp end testers. rotfl!Wouldn’t it be wonderful if some kind person offered a one click install like this on the build service unstable listings.
The process is outlined here under “build and install”
Getting Started/Build - KDE TechBase
As you can see from this the path to the various bits and pieces are contained in environment variables so if for instance Qt5 was needed it could be compiled into it’s own directory. There used to be a web pages that gave detailed instructions but they are no longer available.
On Qt5 I remember seeing the headline all KDE libs will be available in it. KDE 5 it seems is going virtual :’( Not at all sure what that means in practice. More pain probably at least for a while.
Releases - what I picked up on the mailing list is roughly this - no more after 13. In practical terms for many people kde5 may no be truly usable for some time eg last release of 3.x some of which was still about in 11.4 but if lots goes to Qt5 who knows. Currently that is buggy.
Blog: Proposed/Tentative KDE (big) Releases to be 3 monthly instead of 6 => 4.12
John
It wasn’t just the PackageKit packages that was missing from the openSUSE KDE 4.11 repository. Alot of packages have to be downgraded from the OSS repository.
Correct, if you install from source, you can specify where to install it (/opt/kde4 maybe, like it was done with kde3?). You can also specify the default config directory (which is ~/.kde4/ normally on openSUSE), so your settings are separated for those 2 different versions. Actually this directory can also be set by an environment variable IIRC.
As you can see from this the path to the various bits and pieces are contained in environment variables so if for instance Qt5 was needed it could be compiled into it’s own directory.
Qt5 is not and will not ever be needed for KDE4.
KDE5 will use Qt5.
KDE 5 it seems is going virtual
Yeah, IIRC you mentioned something like this in another thread.
But what do you mean by that?
I don’t understand that sentence at all, that’s why I can’t tell if it is true or not, not even if I would like it that way or not…
Releases - what I picked up on the mailing list is roughly this - no more after 13. In practical terms for many people kde5 may no be truly usable for some time eg last release of 3.x some of which was still about in 11.4 but if lots goes to Qt5 who knows. Currently that is buggy.
Blog: Proposed/Tentative KDE (big) Releases to be 3 monthly instead of 6 => 4.12
You do know that this was only a proposal? (read the blog’s title! )
After a long discussion, the current plan is to reduce the release schedule for 4.12 to 5 months only, with the 4.12.0 release being in December 2013.
See Proposed schedule for 4.12
As to whether there will be a 4.14 or not, I guess that depends on how long it takes for KDE5 to be finished…
I don’t think that has been decided yet.
But that post you link to does mention there will be 4.14…
The time elapsed between big releases (4.12, 4.13, 4.14…) will be of 3 months (instead of 6) having the following structure: