K3b, the single worst burner I've ever used

I let 3 games download over night: Left 4 Dead 2 (18GB); Counter Strike Source (3.4GB); Portal (4.5GB) and FlighGear. Today I burned them onto 5 DVD’s. Result? All DVD’s at the garbage, they don’t mount, I can’t use them, tried opening them on openSUSE 12.3 and Ubuntu. Not to mention I lost a lot of my 100GB/Month bandwidth. K3b said “successful” tho.

Just thought I’d throw this weight of my chest.

Are you sure that
>>There is no hardware issue
>>No loose connections to dvd writer.
>>Burned at lowest speed
>>Inspected the DVD disks for any visible signs of dust or scratches

I have used brasero a lot but , k3b is supposed to be THE best writer software around I would not be wrong in assuming that millions use it.

Many rate it at 5/5 here Linux Mint - Community
and
here Snapcraft - Snaps are universal Linux packages

You find yourself in a minority. Because k3b is possibly one of the most popular of burning software.
How could you loose the download allowance ?
You were going to download them any way and you still have the .iso images surely!

Be sure to use quality blank DVD’s like Verbatim
And burn as slow a setting it it will permit.

The way I proceed is > open k3b > locate the .iso in the k3b file manager > click it > this will start the md5summ check > compare the result with the md5sum for the .iso
Burn > choose burn options

FYI: You can mount .iso files in Linux using AcetoneISO. It’s like a virtual DVD. And install from there.
The windows equiv is Daemon tools

I’ve been using k3b since early 2007, with perfect results every time (even burns blu ray!).

I’d seriously look at your optical drive. :slight_smile:

I remember using K3b back in 2006, worked just fine. Since then I used Brasero and burned about 1000 DVD’s with 2 or 3 being corrupted due to burner fail (it’s an 8-yo LG burner, still works as new tho).

  • I’m not saying there weren’t any, but let’s face that it’s very odd to happen a hardware issue when THOUSANDS of DVD’s have been burned and only a few had been burned wrong.
  • Nope, revised this week after a clean-up. Recorded Team Fortress 2 (11.8GB) a few days ago.
  • It was set to auto. In my opinion if the burner doesn’t allert “Burn at low speeds so the burn don’t fail” there’s no point on turning the speed down, considering most people that uses computers have no clue about how the rec speed could affect the final result. So if it’s configured at Auto then I let the program decide the rec speed.
  • It was bought not 10min before the process. Here’s a pic of it, and here is a pic of a Windows 8 test DVD, where I risked it myself to see how far would the burner be able to burn.

They were downloaded through Steam, splited into 4.4GB files, tested for decompression afterwards.

On 05/15/2013 07:46 AM, amarildojr wrote:
> I used Brasero and burned about 1000 DVD’s with 2 or 3 being
> corrupted due to burner fail

then, just use what works for you! if you are happy with Brasero then
use it…

why would you change to K3b???

and, if K3b does not work with your motherboard, burner, whatever
then log the bug you found…well, let me ask: What error did the
system show you?


dd

I don’t think I’ve ever had a coaster with k3b in all the years I’ve been using it at work or home.

It’s one of those FEW programs that has never failed me.

On 2013-05-15 12:51, dd wrote:
> On 05/15/2013 07:46 AM, amarildojr wrote:
>> I used Brasero and burned about 1000 DVD’s with 2 or 3 being
>> corrupted due to burner fail
>
> then, just use what works for you! if you are happy with Brasero then
> use it…
>
> why would you change to K3b???

Both tools are just frontends to the same CLI software: if the burn
fails because of software problem (not hardware), the culprit would be
the CLI program behind it.

And the CLI tools are controversial. In openSUSE it is typically wodim
(cdrkit). This is a fork of cdrtools due to licensing issues. The author
of cdrtools claims that the fork is illegal, ill maintained, and very
buggy (see wikipedia, many threads in mail lists, etc).

I take no sides in this.

You can install the cdrtools package instead, it is in the
multimedia:apps repo, and in the home:plater repo (he is the openSUSE
maintainer of the package). There are rumours that cdrtools will again
become an official package. Dunno.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On Wed, 15 May 2013 04:56:02 +0000, amarildojr wrote:

> All DVD’s at the garbage, they don’t mount, I can’t use them, tried
> opening them on openSUSE 12.3 and Ubuntu.

And what makes you think that it’s the software (which, as has been
pointed out, is a front-end to the same tools other software uses), and
not the media, or the burner.

If you’ve burned thousands of DVDs on this 8-year-old burner, I’m not
surprised if it’s having problems.

Rather than be quick to blame the software without evidence, some
troubleshooting is called for to determine what the problem is.

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

lol! Good point.
I have had burners go bad overnight and I have also had a bad batch of burn media, it could be anything.

No problems at all, it showed “Success” after the burn process.
I switched because this is what comes with KDE.

I inicially blamed the software because even though I burned thousands of medias on this burner, not too many had problems. So:

2006 = Used K3b. Worked OK
2007/2012 = Used PowerISO. Worked OK
2012/2013 = Used Brasero. Worked OK

The 1st DVD I tried to burn yesterday was a Counter Strike Source DVD. The software asked me either to rename the file or cut it. I renamed it and an error occurred on 50% of the verification process. Couldn’t use that media anymore. Then I burned 3 DVD’s of Left 4 Dead 2, no error message at all but no media appears when I put the media into the tray.

That’s very odd I’d say, that the burner would malfunction at the exactly same time I switch from a burner software to another. I’m looking foward to see what the problem was, and if it was a hadware problem then I should ask a mod to delete this thread since the information I provided about K3b was wrong.

This is what the symptoms were when I suddenly ran into a batch of bad media in my 50 DVD spindle. They would burn fine and then were unusable everywhere, I ended up throwing out the rest of the spindle and buying another. I have also had a DVD burner just start writing **** with no warning and it would burn these discs without error. So, it can happen. It is odd that it all started with K3b and I would still look into that but only after I checked out the hardware and discs.

Look just like the issue I had with Wodim, worked OK for <4GB files but would burn coasters otherwise. Nothing to do with K3B, which is just a(n excelent) front-end.

The original thread here, if you’re interested: https://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/multimedia/481282-k3b-wodim-4gb-file-dl-dvd-r-finish-successfully-but-files-corrupted-solved-sort.html

On 2013-05-15 21:06, amarildojr wrote:

> That’s very odd I’d say, that the burner would malfunction at the
> exactly same time I switch from a burner software to another. I’m
> looking foward to see what the problem was, and if it was a hadware
> problem then I should ask a mod to delete this thread since the
> information I provided about K3b was wrong.

DVD burners have an habit of dying in manners that make you think that
you did something wrong, or that the software is broken - specially if
it happens when you change or update something.

It takes some time till it starts to sink in the idea that the burner
has died, or more subtle, that the media brand has switched
manufacturing plant, and what was a good one now is a bad one.

Two sites to read and bookmark:


> http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media/

http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm
Blank DVD Media Quality Review



Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On Wed, 15 May 2013 19:06:01 +0000, amarildojr wrote:

> I inicially blamed the software because even though I burned thousands
> of medias on this burner, not too many had problems.

The idea that something that has worked before will always continue to
work is flawed. These are mechanical (and electronic) devices, and they
do fail after extensive use.

It’s also entirely possible a bad batch of media takes place.

Jumping to conclusions about hardware reliability “because it’s always
been reliable” is a poor troubleshooting technique. By that measure, the
Linux kernel is at fault for my external 1 GB hard drive failing 4 years
ago, because it had worked for 5 years previously. (But that’s clearly
faulty logic).

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 2013-05-16 06:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 19:06:01 +0000, amarildojr wrote:
>
>> I inicially blamed the software because even though I burned thousands
>> of medias on this burner, not too many had problems.
>
> The idea that something that has worked before will always continue to
> work is flawed. These are mechanical (and electronic) devices, and they
> do fail after extensive use.

And DVD burners do not give diagnostics about themselves, contrary to
hard disks with the SMART system :frowning:

He is not the first one to blame software for getting coasters. I did.
The reason is the above one: the error messages do not point clearly at
hardware failure, so the user doesn’t think of it, till told by somebody
else. No diagnostic software I know of, either.

Part of the problem is that these device are very cheap and low quality.
Optics are made of plastic materials, with time they deform enough to
stop working. Originally they used glass or whatever it is called.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

> It’s also entirely possible a bad batch of media takes place.

Yep, bought a pack once that had a 20% failure rate.