http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2080/17937318.png
On the other hand, I don’t really want a screenshot, changed my mind after this.
Are these dependencies really necessary? Is it a packager decision or the program requires all of this by default?
All I wanted was plasma session and couple of apps, I don’t need iphone libs, sql server, pulseaudio or desktop search.
I mean no disrespect but why can’t KDE4 apps be stand-alone like KDE3 apps used to be?
On 1/16/2012 2:06 PM, finders wrote:
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> [image: http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2080/17937318.png]
>
> On the other hand, I don’t really want a screenshot, changed my mind
> after this.
> Are these dependencies really necessary? Is it a packager decision or
> the program requires all of this by default?
> All I wanted was plasma session and couple of apps, I don’t need iphone
> libs, sql server, pulseaudio or desktop search.
> I mean no disrespect but why can’t KDE4 apps be stand-alone like KDE3
> apps used to be?
>
>
I think its integration. All app can address the same libs or add ons.
I personally never see a slow down or problems. KDE and Gnome seem to be
DE that a comprehensive. Just like Windows or MacOS.
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The issue you have identified has also been identified by KDE; Framework 5 which will begin to emerge later this year involves repackaging all the libraries that KDE4 uses so that developers can call fewer libraries for individual programs See aseigo: Important Announcement Coming Today at Desktop Summit
I like what they done with dolphin 1.7 so I installed all of the above and more, even though I prefer the openbox approach where you get a binary and a config file.
These libs should be merged into kdelibs4 if they’re mandatory for KDE to function properly, right now they just make a mess out of RPM list which is long enough already.
This is one of the main things that kept me away from GNOME in the past, it always pulled a million packages when I wanted to test it.
I remember KDE having a core and stand-alone apps at the time, it never required so many separate libs.
Anyway, thanks for the link, good to know something is happening upstream.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:16:02 +0000, finders wrote:
> I like what they done with dolphin 1.7 so I installed all of the above
> and more, even though I prefer the openbox approach where you get a
> binary and a config file.
> These libs should be merged into kdelibs4 if they’re mandatory for KDE
> to function properly, right now they just make a mess out of RPM list
> which is long enough already.
> This is one of the main things that kept me away from GNOME in the past,
> it always pulled a million packages when I wanted to test it. I remember
> KDE having a core and stand-alone apps at the time, it never required so
> many separate libs.
> Anyway, thanks for the link, good to know something is happening
> upstream.
For doing a screenshot, at least on GNOME, the printscreen key is
sufficient. Does that not work on KDE? (I don’t use KDE so I don’t
know).
Jim
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On 01/17/2012 09:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> For doing a screenshot, at least on GNOME, the printscreen key is
> sufficient. Does that not work on KDE?
yes, print screen takes a screen shot in KDE…
but he didn’t how to take a screen shot he just jumped on a soap box and
started complaining.
strange.
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Would you be so kind and explain to me how to take a screenshot without ksnapshot package? Try hitting Print Screen without the package, see what happens.
I’m aware that you can take it in GNOME using gnome-screenshot and in KDE3 using old ksnapshot from kdegraphics3 package.
Not complaining about being unable to create a screenshot, complaining about unwanted dependencies and bloat.
You’d understand this if you had taken enough time to read the whole thing and not just the title.
Hi
Install scrot, the bind it to the prt screen button.
http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=scrot&baseproject=openSUSE%3A12.1&lang=en&include_home=true&exclude_debug=true
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Thank you sir Malcolm, will bookmark and use it for setting up this screenshot uploading script.
Settled for KDE3 version of ksnapshot for now, doesn’t require any extra packages and still provides cool features such as timer.
It wasn’t my intention to complain about screenshots but general direction of KDE4, it’s pulling more extras than GNOME which was never the case before.
I agree with the OP, and this seems to be more of a KDE on openSUSE problem than anything else. I’ve complained about this very problem before. Not to compare distros, but on (K)ubuntu and Fedora if I try to install ksnapshot on GNOME, I don’t get asked to also install libraries for iPhones and what not.
I think that the problem is related to openSUSE and NOT to kde (this comment is not intended to bash openSUSE / SLES, I do love these distros, but this is their biggest shortcoming IMHO … wierd, unexplainable dependencies for packages).
There’s no such dependencies on other distros you say? Might give it a shot, there’s always Gentoo if all else fails.
Thanks for pointing this out, almost went to kde forums to rant about iphone protocols.
So it’s a packager decision after all, makes me wonder if there’s a list of people responsible for this mess.
This is a fedoraproject list, so far I was unable to find such information for opensuse.
I’d like to thank this kind packager who decided that I need apple libs and social network integration even though I despise apple and social networks in general.
Thanks for deciding for me. Now please make it optional.
On 01/19/2012 11:26 PM, katanacb wrote:
> I think that the problem is related to openSUSE andNOT to kde (this
> comment is not intended to bash openSUSE / SLES, I do love these
> distros, but this is their biggest shortcoming IMHO … wierd,
> unexplainable dependencies for packages).
then, it sounds like you (or someone, many someones who dislike the way
the devs here ‘bundle’ stuff together into (what they think is) the best
mix for the most potential users) needs to use FATE to make a feature
request to cut out the FAT this thread highlights…
that is to say: discussing it here will only arouse other users but
have zero impact on the situation because the developers mostly
never come here to get their next Bright Idea on how to improve
openSUSE (or SUSE Linux Enterprise)…
so, inform the hackers of the weird unexplainable dependencies being
complained about in this thread via https://features.opensuse.org/
and, once done someone(s) come back here and post a URL to the new
feature request so the other users just wanting a screen shot (etc) know
where to go to pile on this Bright Idea!
that, is the only way to have the impact you seek.
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Done, per your suggestion. I’ve also talked to Novell / SuSE about this in their enterprise distribution as well, when at Brainshare … we’ll see what happens.
The openFATE number is 313167.
I know about opening bugs (I’ve opened a TON of them in the past, all of which have been resolved over time and made their way into the distro), and honestly to me this seems like more of a bug than a feature request, but in any event it’s done.
Made one of these too, it’s @ 313168
Not that I expect much feedback, but if it’s the only way, so be it.
