On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:06:02 +0000, rain922 wrote:
> Jim, first your a bit late to the game here, as HCVV already beat you to
> this same comment, do we really need to repeat it? And I already replied
> saying perhaps i was too quick to blame Opensuse for the filesystem
> problem. So I feel your comment is unjustified.
You’re perfectly fine in feeling my comment is unjustified.
Nevertheless, I see plenty of people looking to ‘blame’ something or
‘threatening’ to leave openSUSE unless someone helps RIGHT NOW with the
issue they’re having.
Not everyone reads every message in a thread before putting their $0.02
I’m not trying to jump on you here (or in the original post) - just
trying to encourage that you (and others - there are always lurkers on
threads in public forums) post FACTUAL information and not look to
I worked in IT for 15 years and saw my fair share of “blaming” take
place. “Blaming” doesn’t solve problems.
> problem possibly is not the fault of Opensuse, but let me tell you
> opensuse is far from perfect.
Software is far from perfect. Nobody claims that it is perfect (and
those who do delude themselves). So this is hardly news to anyone - and
not helpful to solving your probelm.
> I think we shouldn’t scold someone if they feel it is Opensuse causing
> the issues, because sometimes it ‘is’ the problem.
That wasn’t my intention. But as I said above, “blame” doesn’t solve
problems. Facts help solve problems.
> Also, I didn’t come here to throw blame, but to write my observations.
> If that is what I really believed to be the problem I have the write to
> share it without being badgered about it. Its fine to tell me or anyone
> else they may be wrong, but it’s how you say it that makes the
> i’m not here to attack anyoone, not even Opensuse which is my fav form
> of Linux.
I apologize if you took my post to be ‘terse’ or ‘unkind’ - it wasn’t
intended that way. It was intended merely to suggest that sticking to
the facts is the most helpful when it comes to troubleshooting. If the
indications point to a problem in the openSUSE kernel, then fine, it’s a
bug that may need to fixed.
But to start with statements like:
“I agree with you putting the blame solely on Openuse may be a bit rash,
but when you have lots of issues for no apparent reason, you really have
nothing left to blame.”
Well, no, you have a fair bit left to ‘blame’. But ultimately, ‘blame’
isn’t going to fix the problem. You’ve started with a conclusion rather
than a premise, and I have found in my extensive experience in
troubleshooting technical issues that if you start with a conclusion,
more often than not, you miss something critical.
My inclination, when there are many thousands of users who use the system
without the instabilities you seem to be experiencing is to ask “what’s
different about your system?”. It’s not the kernel (unless you’ve
built your own or installed a non-standard kernel). It’s not other
software that others are successfully using.
Therefore, it must be something specific to your installation. Which
means either a corrupt installation (which can happen, but isn’t very
common, as there are checksums on the download - especially if you use a
torrent to download - and on RPMs as well, which would throw issues
during the install), or something specific to your hardware.
Consumer grade hardware does not tend to last as long as commercial-grade
hardware. That’s why it’s cheaper.
It also tends to have a lower MTBF as a result of less rigorous testing
and lower grade materials used in manufacturing.
So…when I see someone say “I’m getting all sorts of weird lockups,
disk errors, and what not - openSUSE MUST be to blame!”, I do feel it’s
necessary to say “Well, not really.” - because if openSUSE were the
cause, you wouldn’t be the only person seeing that particular issue (or
one of a very few).
So the trick is to figure out what’s different about your setup from
those that work.
That’s how you troubleshoot a problem like this. Don’t start with
the conclusion that it must (or even may) be the distro, regardless
of which distro it is.
Does that make sense?
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