Trying to add community repo’s in yast and get (warning) Unable to download list of repo’s or no repo’s defined.
On 2012-05-01 23:16, linclkh wrote:
>
> Trying to add community repo’s in yast and get (warning) Unable to
> download list of repo’s or no repo’s defined.
Yes it is down.
Yes it is known.
Yes it has been announced. Where? Guess…
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Was I the only one who was horrified to learn that there was no backup available when two disks failed?
Ok, I see , Your fired, Now go home and spank mama and drink some Beer. 
What a real pisser.
Hi
Sure there was a backup… it’s TeraBytes and takes awhile to copy
back over, then the array needs to re-sync.
Also read the post in the announcements sub forum.
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop
up 2 days 18:04, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.15
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
Maybe it’s just me but “Most stuff is copied somewhere else” doesn’t sound like a backup. Did I miss something?
Hi
Coolo speak… for I’m very busy and didn’t need this… (This is
probably the errrr clean version) 
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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop
up 2 days 18:47, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU
In this day and age I don’t know why a distro as huge as SUSE would not have a backup server. Hardware is cheap and this could have been avoided. However, I guess we are all getting use to it. Every few months I can’t contact the repos. They are normally not down this long though. Its been down for over 24 hours.
For that mater they should have mirrors in different country’s. I am shocked to find out that one single server provides updates for everyone using openSUSE.
On Wed, 02 May 2012 03:16:02 +0000, vdub12 wrote:
> For that mater they should have mirrors in different country’s. I am
> shocked to find out that one single server provides updates for everyone
> using openSUSE.
They have multiple mirrors. But not all the mirrors can hold all of the
various repositories (the main ones also hold the open build service
repositories, and there are a LOT of them).
ftp5.gwdg.de is one popular mirror. I’ve used it myself.
I’ve also taken to mirroring the repos I use on a server here at home
because I have multiple machines and a (relatively) slow connection to
the 'net (only 3 Mbps). Updating 5 machines with 5 separate downloads =
poor use of resources. Mirroring to a local server and then distributing
to local machines = smart use of resources.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Is there a mirror closer to California that I should be using. Maybe that’s why I have problems every few months.
My repos are for the most part stock except for tumbleweed and packman. Do the repos automatically direct you to the closest mirror or does that have to be configured manually. I heard Ubuntu needs to be modified manually to change local mirrors.
> Is there a mirror closer to California that I should be using.
see http://mirrors.opensuse.org/ and pick from two dozen mirrors in the
USA, including some in California…
On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:03:59 +0530, Jim Henderson
<hendersj@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 03:16:02 +0000, vdub12 wrote:
>
>> For that mater they should have mirrors in different country’s. I am
>> shocked to find out that one single server provides updates for everyone
>> using openSUSE.
>
> They have multiple mirrors. But not all the mirrors can hold all of the
> various repositories (the main ones also hold the open build service
> repositories, and there are a LOT of them).
>
> ftp5.gwdg.de is one popular mirror. I’ve used it myself.
>
> I’ve also taken to mirroring the repos I use on a server here at home
> because I have multiple machines and a (relatively) slow connection to
> the 'net (only 3 Mbps). Updating 5 machines with 5 separate downloads=
> poor use of resources. Mirroring to a local server and then distributing
> to local machines = smart use of resources.
>
i think (pls. correct me if i’m wrong) that part of the problem is that
the servers down at present contain openSUSE’s ‘mirror brain,’ the
software that’s responsible to redirect requests to the various mirrors
all over the planet.
of course that’s inconvenient, but i don’t feel it’s part of my
‘constitutional right’ as an openSUSE user to expect undisturbed access to
all the update and download facilities at all times.
it’s in the distro’s own interest to provide that service, but how much
resources (servers, wo/man hours) they can dedicate to it depends on a ton
of considerations of which i don’t have a clue.
if i were really in a rush i’d have to go mirror-hunting myself, and if
this didn’t get solved within what i consider reasonable time, i’d go
distro-shopping again. since neither is the case, and i’m confident
they’ll fix that mess soon, i just keep quiet & wait.
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phani.
On Wed, 02 May 2012 13:57:56 +0530, phanisvara das
<listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
> i just keep quiet & wait.
BTW, just now i successfully refeshed all my repos
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phani.
On 2012-05-02 07:36, vdub12 wrote:
> My repos are for the most part stock except for tumbleweed and packman.
> Do the repos automatically direct you to the closest mirror or does that
> have to be configured manually. I heard Ubuntu needs to be modified
> manually to change local mirrors.
The automatic redirection happens precisely in the server that went down.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 2012-05-02 10:27, phanisvara das wrote:
> i think (pls. correct me if i’m wrong) that part of the problem is that the
> servers down at present contain openSUSE’s ‘mirror brain,’ the software
> that’s responsible to redirect requests to the various mirrors all over the
> planet.
Correct.
Some metadata is served directly from that machine to users, but only that
part which is necessary to verify authenticity of what we download from the
mirrors. That way security is centralized, and the bulk is distributed.
It is also responsible, I think, to push changes to the mirrors, thus the
size of the machine.
I don’t know if there are parts with no mirrors that are served directly
from that machine: could be.
There is also a backup machine, but that one is not as capable as the main
one. And it is not a hot spare.
> of course that’s inconvenient, but i don’t feel it’s part of my
> ‘constitutional right’ as an openSUSE user to expect undisturbed access to
> all the update and download facilities at all times.
That’s my feeling. Guaranteed 24*7 is expensive, so we have to accept
downtime now and then 
> it’s in the distro’s own interest to provide that service, but how much
> resources (servers, wo/man hours) they can dedicate to it depends on a ton
> of considerations of which i don’t have a clue.
True…
> if i were really in a rush i’d have to go mirror-hunting myself, and if
> this didn’t get solved within what i consider reasonable time, i’d go
> distro-shopping again. since neither is the case, and i’m confident they’ll
> fix that mess soon, i just keep quiet & wait.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Wed, 02 May 2012 05:36:03 +0000, vdub12 wrote:
> Is there a mirror closer to California that I should be using. Maybe
> that’s why I have problems every few months.
I’m sure there’s a mirror in California - but the University of Utah also
mirrors a good chunk (that’s where I do my mirroring for my local repo
from).
The site’s back up, so you should be able to pull the mirror list.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Wed, 02 May 2012 08:27:56 +0000, phanisvara das wrote:
> i think (pls. correct me if i’m wrong) that part of the problem is that
> the servers down at present contain openSUSE’s ‘mirror brain,’ the
> software that’s responsible to redirect requests to the various mirrors
> all over the planet.
I believe you are correct.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
phanisvara das wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:03:59 +0530, Jim Henderson
> <hendersj@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 May 2012 03:16:02 +0000, vdub12 wrote:
>>
>>> For that mater they should have mirrors in different country’s. I am
>>> shocked to find out that one single server provides updates for
>>> everyone using openSUSE.
>>
>> They have multiple mirrors. But not all the mirrors can hold all of
>> the various repositories (the main ones also hold the open build
>> service repositories, and there are a LOT of them).
>>
>> ftp5.gwdg.de is one popular mirror. I’ve used it myself.
>>
>> I’ve also taken to mirroring the repos I use on a server here at home
>> because I have multiple machines and a (relatively) slow connection
>> to
>> the 'net (only 3 Mbps). Updating 5 machines with 5 separate
>> downloads =
>> poor use of resources. Mirroring to a local server and then
>> distributing to local machines = smart use of resources.
>>
>
> i think (pls. correct me if i’m wrong) that part of the problem is
> that the servers down at present contain openSUSE’s ‘mirror brain,’
> the software that’s responsible to redirect requests to the various
> mirrors all over the planet.
>
> of course that’s inconvenient, but i don’t feel it’s part of my
> ‘constitutional right’ as an openSUSE user to expect undisturbed
> access to all the update and download facilities at all times.
>
> it’s in the distro’s own interest to provide that service, but how
> much resources (servers, wo/man hours) they can dedicate to it depends
> on a ton of considerations of which i don’t have a clue.
>
> if i were really in a rush i’d have to go mirror-hunting myself, and
> if this didn’t get solved within what i consider reasonable time, i’d
> go distro-shopping again. since neither is the case, and i’m confident
> they’ll fix that mess soon, i just keep quiet & wait.
>
So far no one has mentioned the odds of two disks in the same array
failing at the same time. They are (or were back in my working days very
small). I would suspect that todays disks should be more reliable. We
used to mirror the root and raid five everything else.
Russ
openSUSE 12.1(3.1.10-1.9-desktop x86_64)|KDE Platform Version
4.8.2 (4.8.2 “release 494”|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB
DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.40)
On Thu, 03 May 2012 01:25:01 +0530, upscope <upscope@nwi.net> wrote:
> So far no one has mentioned the odds of two disks in the same array
> failing at the same time. They are (or were back in my working days very
> small). I would suspect that todays disks should be more reliable. We
> used to mirror the root and raid five everything else.
this may be relevant to this forum, to help people decide (during
installation) how to keep data secure, but probably better in another
thread then.
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phani.
On 2012-05-02 21:55, upscope wrote:
> So far no one has mentioned the odds of two disks in the same array
> failing at the same time. They are (or were back in my working days very
> small). I would suspect that todays disks should be more reliable.
About the same. Same probability of error per megabyte, when the size soars
means higher probability of failure per disk.
But this is catastrophic failure. Apparently the disks age similarly and
break about the same time. Or the second disk fails under the stress of
reconstructing the first failed disk.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)