I am a dedicated openSUSE user right from version 9 where at-least you could play all music and video files However from release 11.0 there has been a continuous trend of annoying bugs and issues and when a new release is out upon installing it hoping to escape the previous bugs you encounter more and more annoying ones.
To start with there is already a thread here about the opera font problems.
I use a windows domain to log into my system, the login prompt usually shows up and I have to wait for about 2 additional minutes before I can select my domain !!!
When you add a new panel on gnome the panels do not show up unless you restart the machine.
Evolution keeps on crashing on its own with this message that it would like to report a bug !!!
I have installed XEN but when I try boot into it the screen just goes black !!!
Volume manager is no longer in the panel widgets.
Now my installation is just two days old, I preach openSuse linux here for my office users. I had lived or managed to sort if not live with the previous release bugs but now this is getting over board. Why release a version because its due rather than spend time making it stand out.
This should discontinue, either stop releasing suse or stop giving us frustrating versions.
RedDwarf’s post is very to the point. When you used the word “bug” very loosely, you can read his answer very loosely as:
. where are the threads you started for each of these problems on the forums;
. what were the answers, did these answers solve your problems;
. when yes, do these solutions not answer your problems anymore in newer levels;
. when no, did you (or another) create bug reports;
. what was the result of that, were there patches;
. did a new openSUSE level fall back to the old level after the patches were in fact available (regression)?
In short, what did you do and where is the evidence about what you did, to make openSUSE better and more suitable to your (and others) needs?
And I can add, that when you want each of your seven problems addressed by these forums, please start seven threads with appropriate titles in appropriate sub-forums and there are lots op people here who will try to help you. They even will try to help you with filing bug reports when they think this should be done.
One last point for themburu… Ctrl+R has always worked for me since the
9 versions through 11.3 which I have now. I use bash, which is probably
obvious, but if you’re using another shell that doesn’t support Ctrl+R
then that could be your issue.
Good luck.
On 09/21/2010 08:46 AM, hcvv wrote:
>
> RedDwarf’s post is very to the point. When you used the word “bug” very
> loosely, you can read his answer very loosely as:
> . where are the threads you started for each of these problems on the
> forums;
> . what were the answers, did these answers solve your problems;
> . when yes, do these solutions not answer your problems anymore in
> newer levels;
> . when no, did you (or another) create bug reports;
> . what was the result of that, were there patches;
> . did a new openSUSE level fall back to the old level after the patches
> were in fact available (regression)?
>
> In short, what did you do and where is the evidence about what you did,
> to make openSUSE better and more suitable to your (and others) needs?
>
> And I can add, that when you want each of your seven problems addressed
> by these forums, please start seven threads with appropriate titles in
> appropriate sub-forums and there are lots op people here who will try to
> help you. They even will try to help you with filing bug reports when
> they think this should be done.
>
> Regards,
>
>
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I dont know what you mean by In short, what did you do and where is the evidence about what you did, to make openSUSE better and more suitable to your (and others) needs?
Don’t know if you expect me to tell you how much code I have contributed, but that’s not the case. What if it was a newbie trying the new hyped Suse and encounters all these issues that would be a Suse fan lost, but I am a follower and having observed the trend it worries me coz how many of mine and more passions would just give up.
to ab@novell.com
I use bash too, the feature Ctrl + R does not always work and refuses to show some commands I had earlier used when Im running multiple tabs or terminals.
When you fall over a loose tile on the street and you do not report that loose tile to the department that maintains roads, you must not be amazed you fall again over it next year.
You have seven problems. As long as you do not ask for help here, or report bugs at openSUSE/Novell, change is big they will be there for years.
These Forums are for openSUSE users to help openSUSE users. It is of nu use to complain here about problems to us (that maybe only you have) that are allready there for a long time. As long as you do not ask for help here (which may solve one or more of them easily, producing a thread that can be found by everybody who has the same problem), or file a bug with those who are on the developing/packaging site of openSUSE, not much will happen.
I found out that the ODD versions of openSUSE just doesnt work properly. Probably because they try some new stuff that goes wrong way, which is usually polished in EVEN version.
happened with 10.1, 10.3, 11.1 and now 11.3
Worst problems were with 11.1 (speaking of my point of view, my hardware), it was so bad and buggy that made me leave opensuse for some other (after testing ubuntu, kubuntu, fedora and mint, I held on Mint KDE), until 11.2 came out.
11.2 is just good. Plain and simply good.
Then I made crucial mistake of upgrading it to 11.3 (will try to control myself not to upgrade to odd version ever again).
Graphics in 11.3 just sucks. There are no major problems in 11.3 that I can point to, but whole picture, summerized, just sucks.
Graphics doesnt work properly, system is generally slow, firefox (no matter which version) is like running on half speed.
Nothiing make too much problems, but its far from being good.
Even with my older kernel that was working superbly under 11.2 (which I compiled myself), same thing. So conclusion is that odd versions of opensuse is kinda testbed, rushed or whatever.
Now I am thinking what shall I do… shall I downgrade to 11.2? - I dont like that option, will take me long time to adjust things the way wish and something may break in the way or shall I try something new… like Mint debian edition…
Rolling release sounds kinda interesting.
beli0135 wrote:
> I found out that the ODD versions of openSUSE just doesnt work properly.
> Probably because they try some new stuff that goes wrong way, which is
> usually polished in EVEN version.
no! when you release on a time schedule (as openSUSE does) you get
what you get according to the clock/calendar…any (and every) release
could have had “new stuff” and “polished stuff” both or neither, all
at the same time…
and they could have been numbered: 10.1, 10.3, 10.5, 11. 1 or they
could have all been numbered evenly…
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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]
When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.
I told you my point of view. On my hardware, always had problems with odd versions. Maybe conclusion is wrong, but on my previous machine, 10.1 and 10.3 almost didnt work at all. On my current laptop, neither 11.1 and 11.3 work properly while 11.0 and 11.2 worked.
Whatever it is, for me, odd versions till now, does not work as they should.
beli0135 wrote:
> I told you my point of view. On my hardware, always had problems with
> odd versions. Maybe conclusion is wrong, but on my previous machine,
> 10.1 and 10.3 almost didnt work at all. On my current laptop, neither
> 11.1 and 11.3 work properly while 11.0 and 11.2 worked.
> Whatever it is, for me, odd versions till now, does not work as they
> should.
Are you doing a fresh install or an update?
For me, the x.3 releases always work better than earlier one’s. But
maybe that’s just my perception through tinted lenses. We all wear them.
I don’t remember any flavor of SUSE (open or otherwise) ever reaching a
…4 release before. Big question is, will we be on 12.0 or 11.4 next
summer? Golly, that could change the whole game…
…Kevin
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
In a recent poll, seven out of ten hard drives preferred Linux.
On 09/24/2010 01:06 PM, beli0135 wrote:
>
> fresh in all cases but this last, I did an upgrade, but had to replace
> kernel as new one didnt booted.
>
> Dont get me wrong, I dont have major complaints on 11.3…
> how can I describe…
>
> Imagine entering fabulous hotel flat, with 2 bedrooms, fabulous
> bathroom, silk sheets… but you feel a very weak smell of dog poo when
> you watch TV.
Hmmm. I suspect the oddities you’re experiencing are maybe due to
upgrading instead of doing a fresh install. A lot has changed over the
past few versions.
Well, I have resolved most of my annoyances except that I cannot make radeon driver work 100%… My window titles go black, sometimes when I recieve notification, it leaves gray thing on whatever it was below (firefox) that scrolls up and down until it disappears… and similar sort of minor irritations.
I know what you mean with preparing to rollback with all the settings and backups you don’t want to leave out. I am seriously thinking of going to another distro or rolling back but it simply is so much of a hassle.
It just is frustrating and it is not what we are doing as the others are putting it, but I believe it is the noise we are making to maintain the Integrity of our favorite distro.
> I dont know what you mean by
> In short, what did you do and where is the evidence about what you
> did, to make openSUSE better and more suitable to your (and others)
> needs?
But we all do >:-)
> Don’t know if you expect me to tell you how much code I have
> contributed, but that’s not the case. What if it was a newbie trying the
> new hyped Suse and encounters all these issues that would be a Suse fan
> lost, but I am a follower and having observed the trend it worries me
> coz how many of mine and more passions would just give up.
But we don’t have the issues you mention. It is you, who has those issues, who should have asked
here about each one of those, separately. Perhaps they are configuration errors/problems on your
side. If they are genuine bugs, then you are expected to report them, officially (ie, not to us).
> to ab@novell.com
> I use bash too, the feature Ctrl + R does not always work and refuses
> to show some commands I had earlier used when Im running multiple tabs
> or terminals.
That is as expected. Bash back history only works for the current terminal session, not across
sessions (a tab is a different session). If you do not like this (I don’t) then ask the bash
developers to add that new feature (I’m sure they know, though).
Except between terminals, Ctrl-R works always for me, ever since I first tried SuSE Linux 5.2. Just
do not forget that preceding a command with a space tells yast not to remember that command.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Yes, 7.3 was a killer release, one of the best ever. I think a lot of issues are caused by hardware compatibility and changes in the kernel that support certain devices so it is chance. On my desktop box for example, 11.2 would not even boot after it reported a successful install. The Raid Controller was no longer supported properly so I had to roll back to 11.1 which worked for me better than 11.3 does (which now supports my RAID controller). I understand the points made though, I have things now in 11.3 that don’t function that worked fine in 11.1 and I’ve had to create work arounds. Nothing critical though that is outstanding. I’ve been using SuSE since release 6.1 and I’ve never thought of switching.
There is a political problem with “upgrade” and “not upgrade”.
Well, if openSUSE team is not capable of making dist-upgrade properly, then why display that option?
As developer, trust me, I know how complicated this stuff is… but lets be honest… there is a problem when new users dont have /home on another partition. You cannot just wipe root and install everything.
…but I would like that option.
For example, to ask me to backup non-repo installed programs, /home etc (as advisory), make list of current repos and software installed, wipe / and freshly install system, convert old repos to new, and reinstall programs I had before.
However, I think in my case upgrade DID work.
There was a problem with kernel (initially), but rest of the problems is just 11.3. As they changed how it handles graphics, there is not much help… its just not polished (among other things that are not polished, but can be worked around).
What I would like to see is openSUSE as rolling distro. No versions, no release dates.
…but that ain’t gonna happen, unfortunately
> Yes, 7.3 was a killer release, one of the best ever. I think a lot of
> issues are caused by hardware compatibility and changes in the kernel
> that support certain devices so it is chance. On my desktop box for
> example, 11.2 would not even boot after it reported a successful
> install. The Raid Controller was no longer supported properly so I had
> to roll back to 11.1 which worked for me better than 11.3 does (which
> now supports my RAID controller).
And I had to skip 11.1 because it did not work well, specially regarding machines with more than 16
partitions. 11.2 instead is what I use, nothing critical broken. 11.3 I distrust, video has changed
a lot, I prefer to wait. And udev/hal.
Yes, the point is that some versions are perfect for some people and for others they don’t work at all.
> I understand the points made though,
> I have things now in 11.3 that don’t function that worked fine in 11.1
> and I’ve had to create work arounds. Nothing critical though that is
> outstanding. I’ve been using SuSE since release 6.1 and I’ve never
> thought of switching.
The change of maintenance period from two years to 18 months is a sore point for me - and others I
know. It is ok with one computer, it becomes a chore with just three.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
However from release 11.0 there has been a continuous trend of annoying bugs and issues and when a new release is out upon installing it hoping to escape the previous bugs you encounter more and more annoying ones.