Hi all;
Been trying to get opensuse 11.1 going right for awhile now. It is not a logical system as spock would say! Who in their right mind would link printing thru an 1vp6 protocol!! under networks. It also eludes me why the system utilities to get printing, networking, and general system wide optimization just fail because things aren’t set up right instead of letting you set them up right.
FYI: if you have a cups inaccessible server due to lpd running or ivp6 not enabled in networking then doesn’t it make sense to direct people where to correct the problem or just fix it instead of continuously looping!
Anyways, fixed the ivp6 problem and now printing says it idle and ready. But now need to figure out why my wireless connection to my router has dropped from 54mbits/sec to 1kbits/sec!! This is not funny!!!
> It is not a logical system . . . and general system wide
> optimization just fail because things aren’t set up right instead
> of letting you set them up right.
apparently your logic assume if the system were just “set up right”
for your specific situation then that would be logically ‘correct’
and it would be “set up right” for all other specific situations which
exist…
do you actually believe that all other computer systems and computer
user needs in the world mirror you own?
is there no need to pick a generic end point for setup, and from there
expect the administrator to hone the specifics to this particular case?
i know, i know…it is the great goal to shield the user from all such
technical stuff…great ideal, but for now Linux still needs an
Administrator technically smarter than most users…
you have a choice:
educate your inner Administrator to enlightenment
hire an experienced Administrator
buy and use a system with training wheels that pre-decides exactly
what setup you should have and locks you into a narrow set of
hardware and software options…never mind the cost, stability,
usability, security, etc etc etc
the choice is yours–as it always is in open source…
I’m not asking for cookie cutter approach. I am asking for professionalism of the operating set-ups. Being a veteran of computers for over 30 years, I expect a basic degree of common sense found in other Linux, Unix, and (Cough) MS windoz systems.
I have this new Laptop that simply wouldn’t run other Linux flavors and allow me to connect to internet to get needed updates and apps. So I found Opensuse 11.1 and it worked without internet because Yast can’t understand the mc950d wireless modem without additional files from the internet. After some manual playing got knetwork to access modem but even yast updates didn’t help.
Moved to local wireless router which required disabling knetwork. Yast configured it automatically (no idea where it put the settings) but did note that it configured it as ivp4 only and this resulted in loss of printer but gave 54mbits/sec just like the USB wireless device had.
I am squaking because I try to configure the printer and Yast refuses because it’s looking for a server. fix it’s server access
and now it can’t use the drivers that designed for the printer and cuts my internet speed to nothing.
How old are you? reason I ask is that MOST people over 40 don’t use the word “anyways” (which isn’t a word anyway).
As goldie mentioned, you need to seriously read up on systems administration, and I might add learn some command line so that you can truly understand what’s going on under that pretty GUI - and just in case that pretty GUI decides to take a crap on you (which is quite common).
It’s quite logical IF you understand what is going on underneath the hood.
Many users (both Linux and Windoze and Mac) have problems using modems to connect to the Internet, and typically it boils down to both how much the manufacturer has supported creating user friendly drivers, and how also how familiar the user is with the operating system. In Linux this often also means how much the user is familiar with the specific Linux distribution (and the tools provided). I’ve read of users totally berate a Linux tool, when in fact they were making a silly mistake that was understandable, given their previous back ground (ie they completely overlooked something that some one with difference experience would not have over looked).
Reference your ipv6 comment - it makes no sense to me. I have ipv6 disabled and I can print with no problem. You should not need to tie your printer to the ipv6 protocol. If you re-enabled ipv6 (to support printing) it was IMHO possibly a mistake to adopt that approach and may explain your poor internet speeds.
Wireless can be a PITA with Linux. We have a forum sub area dedicated to helping openSUSE users with Linux problems. If you persist to have wireless problems, please visit that area, and experts in wireless can help you. Wireless - openSUSE Forums There are stickies at the top of the subforum area to provide more help.
Also, the desktop one selects can make a difference. In openSUSE-11.1 the KDE-4.1.3 is a bit buggy. Many users instead have installed Gnome, or KDE-3.5.10, or upgraded their KDE-4.1.3 to 4.3 (which is a non-official update). But even in KDE-4.3 the “network manager” does not work well with wireless. In my case, I selected the rock solid KDE-3.5.10 on the installation and openSUSE wireless works well on my PCs.
> Hi all;
> Been trying to get opensuse 11.1 going right for awhile now. It is
> not a logical system as spock would say! Who in their right mind would
> link printing thru an 1vp6 protocol!! under networks. It also eludes me
> why the system utilities to get printing, networking, and general system
> wide optimization just fail because things aren’t set up right instead
> of letting you set them up right.
I disable ipv6 support at install time…no problems.
In age matters, I’ve been kicking around since the 60’s working on all flavors of system from mini mainframes to altair & z80 class 8bit micros then finally the pc’s. Problem I am having is more to with inconsistancies between what Yast installed and what the documentation says. So to follow the admin docs leaves me with half an answer. eg. Doc says you will find a drive defined in /etc/fstab and you go there and it isn’t there, it’s finally found in some obscure init’d file. Or doc says you can disable ivp6 during install but when you try that the kernel panics and all stops until you re-install with ivp6 on.
As far as command line goes I am very familiar with command line use when the commands that I know will do the job exist (based on redhat, Mandrake/Mandriva, and ubuntu) but can’t even find these available in opensuse . Is there a different GUI system rather than Yast? Like maybe a good old fashioned Linuxconf like all other distro have. :’(
It stand without reason IMHO that people will have trouble with modems or serial anything… this date back to the old framing style of the 8255 serial Uart chip. Times won’t change this. It took awhile of groping through the system but I did finally get the USB mc950d wireless device working at 54mbits/sec and it didn’t interfere with using the printer (a Canon PIXMA ip2600). When windose crashed I had to use opensuse system recover and decided to change to the built-in wireless to access my wireless router. Thats the point when all went south.
You are right, in that the desktop selected has much to do with problems. I have KDE 3.5.1, KDE 4.1, Gnome on my original opensuse install. Checked and all three are there still but can only access 4.1 after system recovery. xfce was also installed by system recovery but can’t access it either.
Of course when page loads at internet go from 1 second to 30 minutes right when you have difficulty it makes it hard to surf for answers! Murphy had a law for this too
At the risk of another “how old are you…” I will say (anyways ) thanks to all the have responded and I will return for any other words from those who have traveled before me
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:16:02 +0000, john hudson wrote:
> GofBorg;2034209 Wrote:
>> I disable ipv6 support at install time…no problems.
>
> Interesting; I’ve never disabled it and I’ve never noticed any problems.
It occasionally can cause problems with name resolution - depending on
how things are set up (and I’ve not looked at it closely myself, just
going from recollection), if IPv6 is enabled, you can end up waiting for
names to resolve prior to the system trying IPv4, and the timeouts are
sometimes quite long.
I’ve always disabled it (under the principle of “I’m not using it,
therefore I don’t need it, therefore enabling it is a waste of resources
to some extent”) and never had a problem with printing or kernel panics.
Last year in October or November, I had my sandbox PC setup such that it would allow a login as either KDE-3.5.10 or KDE-4.1.3. But a software misconfiguration on my sandbox PC (or an update) caused a problem where the KDE-3.5.10 refused to start and instead it would always bring up KDE-4.1.3. I first noticed it when accessing the sandbox PC remotely via nx, and afterward it was also present in a direct access. I went through a period of about 6+ weeks, when I refused to update any software on any of my PCs, until I sorted out the problem with the sandbox PC
All my other PCs had the same configuration.
I spent about 6 hours one saturday on IRC #suse and IRC #kde (and another openSUSE KDE specific channel) actively trying to figure out the problem. I was under pressure as I wanted to try out another openSUSE distribution version on my sandbox PC that I had made a commitment to someone else. I did finally update all the software on another PC with what I believed to be the same configuration (dual KDE-4.1.3 and KDE-3.5.10) and it did not have the problem. I then updated the remaining PCs in our place. They did not have the problem ( we have 1/2 dozen PCs of varying vintage). So in the end, the commitment “won out”. I thanked those trying to help me find the root of the problem, abandoned the investigation, and installed the other openSUSE version on my sandbox PC, replacing the problematic KDE-3.5.10/4.1.3 combo and effectively ending the investigation.
Note a re-install for me typically takes only 1 to 2 hours (with full multimedia restored at the end of the re-install) so to spend 6 hours on an investigation is LONG in my terms. I don’t normally spend that much time (I don’t have that much time to waste).
But since then, even though I could not reproduce the problem, I’ve avoided putting both KDE3 and KDE4 on the same PC. … Once bitten - twice shy.
as for out of date documents…i agree…especially if you are looking
at a lot of the stuff on http://en.opensuse.org/....fact is that
openSUSE moves forward so fast that keeping the wiki up to date takes
more informed/enthused community members than are here (wanna help?)
a couple of months back there was a move to push updates into the
wike…but, that hasn’t yet resulted in always sterling words…
oh, and don’t overlook the possibility you have a FULL set here:
file:///usr/share/doc/manual/opensuse-manual_en/manual/index.html
(it may be offset a little, look around…if you elected to download
the documentation during install or after…)
windependence wrote:
> How old are you? reason I ask is that MOST people over 40 don’t use the
> word “anyways” (which isn’t a word anyway).
“anyways” is an often used word in the north-central to north-eastern
areas of the USA (whether it is a real word, okay or not, it is quite
common up there in Yankee Land)
To some people it speaks to the intelligence of the speaker as it is not proper English. It is also usually used by very young people in my experience, and I am from the East coast. Anyway, this is off topic, and doesn’t help the OP.
I came here looking for help installing my printer again. I started reading this post written by a guy who must be in a bad mood as I am. I dont know how many times I wanted to write a post that described how pissed I was about having to reinstall after an attempted upgrade to 11.2. I wanted to complain about how the developers should not have made an upgrade option unless it actually worked. I wanted to complain again, that after the upgrade the drivers for my printer that i used in 11.1 dont work in 11.2. I also wanted to complain that all my windows open in the top left corner since the upgrade. I have not even tried to install the scanner yet. It should be clear by now that I am not impressed with 11.2. The only thing that was better was compiz installed in about a half hour. Thats about a quarter of what it took in 11.1. Then I took a few deep breaths, drank a beer and realized a few things. First, nobody is forcing me to use this o/s. Second, griping about how bad things are solves nothing. Attacking the people who spent thier own time developing this software is not going to win points with the community. I have been using opensuse for over a year now. Before that I was an Ubuntu user. There is not an o/s out there that is perfect for every user. I guess what im saying is thanks to everyone who wrote the software, who answers the silly questions and fixes all the stuff that goes wrong. BTW, my spell checker quit working in 11.2 also–lol…RB
