Is it okay to mention another Suse forum here?

This is a forum rule where my understanding is unclear.
There is another Suse forum that has been started by Mattb4, it’s called the Suseunbound Forums.
If allowed I was thinking of either mentioning it to new members or as a link in my sig.
On the latter,if allowed,am I a member considered trustworthy enough to have a link in their sig?
Regrettably, I’ve read the Announcements & am not clear on this rule either.

Of course you can mention Suseunhinged here. Sorry, smack !, I mean Suseunbound. Couldn’t help it.

And there’s the opensuseUS too. And LinuxQuestions + LinuxForums both have Suse forums too. I seek help in all of them if I can’t get an answer here.

PS I’m a member of the unbound too, nice bunch.

Thanks Swerdna,
Yes they are, I’m a member of… ah… un… oh yeah! SuseUnbound too.lol!

I’m a member of suseunbound as well, although I haven’t visited for a while. I think its a good idea to broadcast linux issues to the widest possible audience to maximise your chances of getting help. I’ve been a member of LinuxQuestions for several years since first playing around with Red Hat. Recently joined Linux Forums too - they have several distro-specific forums.

On 2009-06-20 01:56:01 -0400, Sagemta <Sagemta@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> said:

>
> This is a forum rule where my understanding is unclear.
> There is another Suse forum that has been started by Mattb4, it’s
> called the Suseunbound Forums.
> If allowed I was thinking of either mentioning it to new members or as
> a link in my sig.
> On the latter,if allowed,am I a member considered trustworthy enough to
> have a link in their sig?
> Regrettably, I’ve read the Announcements & am not clear on this rule
> either.

It is a violation of the T&C to post explicitly for the purpose of
driving traffic to another site. While we personally sympathize with
any forum dedicated to supporting Linux, allowing obvious exceptions
opens the door for proponents of any site to use the forums as a
platform to advertise their services, free or otherwise. It’s an
unfortunate situation we can blame our spammers for, and there’s no way
to easily handle the dilemma without appearing arbitrary.


Keith Kastorff

@sagemta, Keith’s post has drawn me back to this thread. And I now wonder what this means that you said earlier:

On the latter,if allowed,am I a member considered trustworthy enough to have a link in their sig?
Regrettably, I’ve read the Announcements & am not clear on this rule
I’m not aware of any trustworthiness criterion that has to be addresses before Joe Citizen can have a link in her post. Can you explain that please and direct me to the “Announcement” so I can see what you mean?

> and direct me to the “Announcement” so I can see what you mean?

i think that is here (and/or the discussion leading up to):
http://forums.opensuse.org/announcements/415383-links-signatures.html#post1992275

which you participated in…


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OK then I see. That doesn’t prevent any legit ppl from having links in their sig does it? Or am I missing something?

> Or am I missing something?

i reckon you read it as i read it.


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I’d suggest you read the terms and conditions which covers advertising and
explains what needs to be done if you want to put an advertisement link in
your signature: http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_novellgen


Kim (6/22/2009 12:20:59 PM Mountain)

Swerdna,
My reason for stating it that way was that it seemed that there was a criterion of some sort. At the time I wrote that post it was the only word I could think of then. I hadn’t seen any objective numbers or clearly written specification on who could or couldn’t post what in their sig.

Kgroneman,
1st is it okay for me to call you Kim?
2nd is my idea for a sig link to another suse forum,in your opinion, an advertisement?
Would the same rule you pointed to apply if I were to mention another forum to newcomers?
I’m not trying to be insulting, just trying to be sure.

Hey Sagemta:

>1st is it okay for me to call you Kim?

Absotively. “Hey you” works too.

>2nd is my idea for a sig link to another suse forum,in your
>opinion, an advertisement?

Yes, in my opinion it is, what would you call it?

>Would the same rule you pointed to apply if I were to
>mention another forum to newcomers?

Let’s pretend we’re not talking about a forum, but some software package
and I think it will be pretty clear. Assume someone likes the AERO
application ( http://www.aero-simulation.de/ ). If someone here in the
forums were to ask about 3D simulation programs then that person could
respond and point the OP to http://www.aero-simulation.de/ and they would
be helping to answer the issue. I wouldn’t call that advertising, I would
call that helping with a suggestion. On the other hand, if the person
liked that application so much that they wanted other people to go see it
and started putting the link in every message they posted, whether the
issue had anything to do with graphics or not, that, in my mind, would be
advertising.

Same with a link to another forum. If someone were to ask if what other
openSUSE forums are there, responding with a link to
http://suseunbound.lefora.com/forum/ that’s not advertising, that’s
answering a question. On the other hand, if someone started putting that
link in every message they posted, that is advertising and subject to the
T&C in my opinion.

Does that answer your question?


Kim (6/23/2009 7:49:17 AM Mountain)

So what about swerdnas signature then? Plus a few others about here. I’ve seen 2 others that would contravene accordingly.

Edit
What about my own perhaps you could construe I’m advertising scroogle and wiki.

Wasn’t there just a lot of work done to unify the openSUSE forums into one?!! :wink:

How do you get links into your signature in the first place?

I’m not trying to promote it or discourage it but to me it should be fair for either side and consistent.

TBH all we’re talking about is the misuse enabling people to inflate pagerank. PageRank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Which can be stopped via a simple mod afaic the forum isn’t using the mod, vBSEO Conditional Signatures - Search Engine Optimization Plugin - vBulletin.org Forum but perhaps in this instance it will help, and perhaps should be the exception as it will stop a few, but it won’t stop the blanket bombers.

If we’re going to talk about unifying then there should be sub forums here that are language specific there is plenty of Suse language specific forums about that sprung up after the merge.

As for the how I believe it is dictated by how many posts made, then just add it as BB code in sig.

Put it this way at the moment I doubt the mods would consider it against the rules if I had this in my sig New! SUSE Community (Thailand) - openSUSE Forums but it would be if I did an English speaking one, go figure…

Edit
How many people even read them…

I’m not allowed url BB code in my sig.

Hey FeatherMonkey:

>So what about swerdnas signature then?

The rules apply. He has my approval. If the staff here thought it wasn’t
beneficial, they would ask him to remove it. There is a big difference in
my opinion. His signature leads to a page that is set up as a resource
for a lot of helpful tips. That adds to the knowledge pool of all the
users of these forums and doesn’t split the knowledge pool.

In my opinion, links to other English forums does go toward splitting the
knowledge pool and isn’t beneficial so I would vote to disallow it…but
to my knowledge, the staff here hasn’t been asked to allow it so it may or
may not be alowed, I can’t say.


Kim (6/23/2009 9:16:46 AM Mountain)

It doesn’t go towards splitting the knowledge pool one little bit that is absurd people will go where ever they get help from…

I’m a member of both yet I contribute more here, if you’re worried people are going to leave you in droves then you have more problems than sigs.

But as mentioned then your staff need to get on it as I certainly have seen 2 that would contravene accordingly. No I won’t report them because I’m not that small minded and they don’t bother me one little bit. I’m more likely to be offended by a flash page worth of sig than a link which thankfully can’t happen.

Looks like you have one rule for the goose and one rule for the gander…

It is driving traffic to his site.

You need to look at it from a neutrals point of view not as a member of the team.

Hey dragonbite:

>I’m not allowed url BB code in my sig.

Neither is anyone right now except staff. As Keith said, we’re fighting
spammers and we’re still trying to find the right balance between fighting
spammers and bbcode rights. See
http://forums.opensuse.org/announcements/415383-links-signatures.html

When you currently see signatures with links, that’s because they are
cached. (hold on…clearing the cache).


Kim (6/23/2009 9:29:04 AM Mountain)

Like I said, I’m only one of many staff. I don’t make the decision, I
just offered my opinion.


Kim (6/23/2009 10:20:33 AM Mountain)