Trying to install OpenSuse 12.1 64bit on a brand new machine.
It has 2 TB disks, on one disk Windows 7 is installed. On the other disk I want to install OpenSUse.
Mostly all my other systems are also dual boot, without any problem, but this time failure.
Maybe not related, but never saw this one before, when the installer dvd started, I saw it saying ELILO boot.
After accepting the proposed partition layout, fill in user/pwd, choose kde, … it starts to install the packages.
The very first part of that was preparing disks (in the first attempt I think this really took a long time, in the next attempts not), then I left the installation it unattended, and in the morning it was hanging on 39%. Unable to get to the details tab.
Attempt 2, again stopped at 39%.
Attempt 3, quickly activated the details tab, and as such progress could be monitored. Packages were being installed, and the package that seem to block everything is (or the one following this one but not yet shown ?) :
kernel-desktop-3.1.0-1.2.1.x86_64.rpm
Assuming that my dvd didn’t get corrupted (I have installed other system with it), anyone any idea what could be wrong.
I burned the install dvd again. In this attempt, much more packages were able to install, now I got to 71%, and the package again “hanging” is … kernel-desktop-3.1.0-1.2.1.x86_64.rpm.
So same problematic package.
About the install media check, I don’t get to see the graphical startup menu when booting from the DVD. It says that ELILO and remains console like install till the yast installer shows up.
To me this is also strange that I don’t get the graphical startup menu.
I sticked with the default suggested filesystem (ext4).
tried to install OPenSuse 11.4 64 bit, went till the very end , but then failed with the installation of the bootloader (note kernel-desktop installed).
What was also strange to me, elilo was chosen (normally I think it is grub, right ?).
The error was “/sbin/elilo : no such file or directory”.
Also here at startup of the dvd, no graphical menu.
On 02/28/2012 09:16 PM, killerbot wrote:
> About the install media check, I don’t get to see the graphical startup
> menu when booting from the DVD.
personally, i would never begin an install without doing a complete
media check…and, if i couldn’t do a full check i would not proceed
until that showstopper problem were solved…
i have no knowledge on elilo, you will have to get assistance from some
other on that…that is, i would have no idea how to solve the problem
of not being about to test the install media.
UEfi is not that new anymore, it should work I guess. And with 12.1, it’s always while installing the kernel-desktop package, another thing I don’t get.
well, to be honest don’t like that particular advice.
what will happen to the installed windows ?
from what I read, bye bye HD’s bigger then 2Tb (luckily not yet in that situation)
it should work, right ?
So why doesn’t it work. Having a nice new machine, and then turning off stuff, last time I did stuff like that was with Windows (10+ years ago), that’s just not acceptable.
are you sure it is because of yast ?
Since several things seem to indicate there’s some support :
the installer dvd starts with ELILO
(as I saw with the 11.4) at the end yast knows to install ELILO and not grub (and then doesn’t find the executable , duh)
From what I read, debian, ubuntu support it (but I would like to stay with OpenSuse). And for the “bigger then 2TB disks”, that’s not so uncommon anymore (I don’t have them though).
Isn’t it more a bootloader thing ?
And why would for 12.1 the kernel-desktop package not install, while it did for 11.4 ?
Gonna try the networkboot option (hopefully it can uefi boot …) this evening.
On 2012-02-29 12:56, killerbot wrote:
>
> are you sure it is because of yast ?
Call it yast, call it the installer.
> - (as I saw with the 11.4) at the end yast knows to install ELILO and
> not grub (and then doesn’t find the executable , duh)
It will probably install the package and leave you to manage it. Lilo
support was dropped years ago, but not removed from YaST, so there is some
partial support.
Read the documentation caf told you. That’s what is available.
There are other distros that handle the situation better. So? Why tell us?
We know. We are users like you, we have no control of the situation.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
That guide talks about installing on uefi. And even talks about stuff, i don;t even have the do, since nboot order is ok for me from the start (and even when i switched them before install ,doesn’t make any difference).
Secondly : I am NOT talking about lilo, I am talking about ELILO (mind the EEEE)…
So even from that guide, it shows it should be possible, right. Please don tell me to read, quote from it (since obviously I am too blind to see it) please.
The guide is stating clearly at least 2 different parts from an old style MBR install :
elilo boot (uefi boot) at startup
Partitioning/booting settings in the installer
These ‘tend’ to point to ‘it is supported’, right ?
And as you can see from my errors, I might be something different :
install of kernel-desktop package fails (kernel, so not bootloader) on 12.1
11.4 , doesn’t find the /sbin/elilo when it wants to install the bootloader (so why is that executable nowhere to be found) ??
As for the other distros, basically if they work or not, so what, I like OpenSuse, so I am looking for help for OpenSuse. And I am so surprised it would not be supported, if it is not, why does that guide then claims it is possible ?
Downloaded the network installer, burned on cd.
Eufi boot → elilo → startup commands … and then it hangs on “starting udev…”. Something the previous experiments did not suffer from. So it is even getting worse
On 2012-02-29 15:26, killerbot wrote:
> As for the other distros, basically if they work or not, so what, I
> like OpenSuse, so I am looking for help for OpenSuse. And I am so
> surprised it would not be supported, if it is not, why does that guide
> then claims it is possible ?
The guide is an effort by a fellow user to overcome the lack of support.
What other people do is install, for example, ubuntu in a small partition,
and use that grub to boot openSUSE instead.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
the story continues.
More and more I am getting the feeling it is EUFI unrelated.
In the EUFI bios I can choose to boot the dvd in non eufi mode. That means no elilo boot, but regular graphical boot of the dvd (allowing to install, boot from hard disk, …). When I use my burned OpenSUse 12.1 DVD or its network install dvd, it still keeps failing on the kernel-desktop package installation.
What is so strange or special to trigger this failure ?
Trying the same with the 11.4 version, it installs, boots (allowing selection between the 2 opensuse variants (normal and failsafe), and windows. [windows selection → ok windows boot].
When the regular opensuse selection is made, the green screen with the lizard is shown and a progress bar. This proigress bar has a very minimal initial filling, and then nothing happens anymore.
When choosing the failsafe it boots into linux/kde and I can login.
New questions :
-what’s the major difference between normal and failsafe (what is one missing in failsafe) ?
how can I see what happens during the boot process of the normal one (in order to determine where it starts hanging or failing ) ?
