Installing and partitions

Hello all
I am almost 100% sure that my question has an answer somewhere on this site but I couldn’t find it so…

I want to install opensuse on my computer that has Windows installed (I can’t remove windows[because my father is using it :@]) so I have to resize my partition… I started the instalation and when I got to the Disk step it showed me 2 red line (which as I read mean deleting) and 3 whit lines. So

I aborted and switch to windows to ask for some help because I don’t want to mess up my system.

I saw that I can resize but I was a bit confused and didn’t want to take the risk.
So can you tell me what should I do to install openSUSE on a 10 gb partition when:
Current partitions are
50GB Disk C(Windows) >> 30 Free
100GB Disk D (stuff) >> 35 Free
(I think 10GB is enough for learning open suse)

Thanks in advance :slight_smile:

Note JUST before installing, you MUST defrag Windows.

Do you have access to a digital camera? I recommend next time you go for the install, when you get to the partitioning section, take a pix with the digital camera, and then post the image on an image paste site such as ImageBam - Fast, Free Image Hosting and Photo Sharing , and post the Link here, and ask for comments.

Note that a hard drive will allow a maximum of 4 primary partitions. Typically, an MS-Windows operating system should be in one of the first 3 primary partitions (usually the first). Often the 4th primary partition is an “extended” partition, where one can put many “logical” partitions in this “extended” partition. Linux will use both the primary partition and/or the logical partition as appropriate. MS-Windows typically wants to be in a primary partition.

Also note that the convention in Linux is to label hard drives as hda ( hard drive a ) or hdb ( hard drive b ), etc … and partitions inside the hard drive “a” as hda1, hda2, hda3, … etc …

Starting with openSUSE-10.3 (I think) a new package known as libata was used, where the names for hda, hdb, hdc … etc … were changed to sda, sdb, sdc … etc (ie change “h” to “s” ) .

Hence reference your:

50GB Disk C(Windows) >> 30 Free
100GB Disk D (stuff) >> 35 Free

its possible that Windows OS is sda1 and the “stuff” is either sdb1 (if a separate drive) or sda2 (if a separate partition).

openSUSE Linux will want to create 3 partitions for itself. One for a swap partition (very small - approximately equal to, or possibly double your PC’s RAM memory size), one for the / (root) partition where all the executables and libraries reside, and one for the /home where all the user data and user configuration information resides.

For example, you might see proposal for a:
/sda1 - windows c:
/sda2 - stuff
/sda4 - extended *
/sda5 - swap
/sda6 - /
/sda7 - /home
where the /sda4 might be the active partition.

But you need to give us that pix from your camera so we can do a quality check.

I suspect now, when your PC boots, the BIOS after it completes its tasks, then goes to the hard drive master boot record (MBR) which then directs execution to the C: (sda1) drive, which is likely the active partition.

openSUSE Linux will install a boot manager so that your PC gives you a choice to boot either Windoze or Linux and to do so, it will modify the MBR.

Most the time, IF things go well, openSUSE will replace the Windows code on the windows C: (sda) hard drive partition’s Master Boot Record (mbr) with generic mbr code, pointing to a Linux partition, where that Linux partition will be the active partition. That Linux partition will then allow the grub boot manager to run and give you a choice to boot Windows or Linux. This should all go automatic, but to be doubly sure, you could also take a pix of that grub boot proposal with your digital camera, and post that here also.

I’m no expert in this (others know a LOT more than I) but if you defrag before hand, and IF you have your father’s permission, this should go well. Ensure all important data of your father’s is backed up first. That is very important.

Here are some photos:
WHen I see it know (and look carefuly) I think all is OK

The Wizard is thinking properly. Shrink, create 3 partitions, set maunt poit… But I want to see that you aprove it before I continue.

It looks ok. Its taking space from /dev/sda5, which appears to be a logical partition inside of an extended partition. I suspect /dev/sda5 is the “stuff” D: partition you referred to.

It recognizes your

  • /dev/sda1 is your MS-Windows OS and it will be mounted as /windows/C
  • /dev/sda4 - not mentioned - but I think it is there and it is your extended
  • /dev/sda5 was likely your windows D: drive, it is being reduced to 77GB from the 100GB previously mentioned. It does not appear that it will be mounted. You may wish (after a successful install) to set up a mount point for it under /windows/D
  • /dev/sda6 - this is a 2GB swap drive
  • /dev/sda7 - this is the " / " (root) where the programs and libraries and system files will go. Its only 8.8 GB in size, so do not go hog wild installing too many programs …
  • /dev/sda8 - this is the /home. This is where the user’s data/configuration stuff will reside, and its where you should be spending most of your time.

So yes, it looks ok to me.

Be certain you defragged D: before this.

Its too bad you did not provide the grub boot manager info.

Its too bad you did not provide the grub boot manager info.

I actually don’t know what this is and where I can find it…
I just insert the cd and restart it boots automaticaly and the instalation screen appears. If you explain where can I find it I can take a pic.

CD ? or DVD ? I think those images come from an installation DVD ? or do I have that wrong ?

So you gave me a pix of step-6:
Installation/11.1 DVD Install - openSUSE

If you look at the second image in step-7, (Installation settings) you will see a “booting” section. I’m curious about that:
Installation/11.1 DVD Install - openSUSE

Have you looked at this guide:
NEWBIES - Suse-11.1 Pre-installation – PLEASE READ - openSUSE Forums

Oh I aborted before that step lol!
I will post a photo tomorrow becuase I have some work and it’s getting late here. And I will defrag tommorow also so I will be ready for the install.

This is it :slight_smile: :

Ok, that is interesting. It appears it is has identified (or is changing) the primary partition sda2 into an extended (and not sda4, like I guessed above). And it is planning to make sda2 the active partition. Which means after the install is complete, when the PC boots, the BIOS will go to sda2 (and NOT to windows sda1) and from sda2 it will be directed to the file /boot/grub/menu.lst on sda7, where that “menu.lst” file provides the option for your PC to boot to either:

  • Windows C: (sda1) or
  • SuSE Linux (sda7) or
  • SuSE Linux safe settings (sda7) - identical to the above regular settings, but it has a bunch of boot options. Its used for emergencies when the above does not work.

Needless to say, this menu.lst file is an important file. I always back it up. That backup can be done some time (a week or so) after the install is complete.

Hence, to change my post above, I believe the openSUSE installer will designate:

  -  /dev/sda1 - is your MS-Windows OS and it will be mounted as /windows/C
  -  /dev/sda2 - it is your extended partition
  -  /dev/sda5 - is likely your windows D: drive, it is being reduced to 77GB from the 100GB previously mentioned. It is a logical partition inside the extended.  It does not appear that it will be mounted. You may wish (after a successful install) to set up a mount point for it under /windows/D
  -  /dev/sda6 - this is a 2GB swap drive.  It is a logical partition inside the extended.
  -  /dev/sda7 - this is the " / " (root) where the programs and libraries and system files will go. Its only 8.8 GB in size, so do not go hog wild installing too many programs ...  It is a logical partition inside the extended.
  -  /dev/sda8 - this is the /home. This is where the user's data/configuration stuff will reside, and its where you should be spending most of your time.  It is a logical partition inside the extended. 

I do not believe you will be able to see the D: drive after you boot to Linux. Windows will see it. (although from Linux it may be mounted as /windows/D and its just now shown by the installer). No worries, as openSUSE can be “tuned” later to add the D: drive as /windows/D. Also, after installation is complete, you may have difficulty read/writing to /windows/C (the C: drive) and if so, post here and one of our users can explain the easy fix to that.

Reference software being installed, you could also consider removing all “beagle” applications. Beagle will slow down the PC incredibly. Also , in a later menu you will be given the option to disable ipv6. Do disable it. ipv6 may slow the PC Internet access down incredibly.

So that looks ok. Good luck.

I note you have chosen KDE4. I’m a big KDE fan, but KDE-4.1.3 is a bit unstable, so be careful. There are guides kicking around how to upgrade it to KDE-4.3 (after the install is done), but that is tricky and it will use up some disk space - and you don’t have a lot.

When I installed openSUSE-11.1 I choose “OTHER” and selected KDE3 which is more stable. If its not too late to go back, I would recommend you go back and select “OTHER” and “KDE3” for your desktop.

OK then! last questions:
What should I do with the drivers.
I had ubuntu installed before a month or so and had BIIGGGG problems with the **** internet settings. But I didn’t install any drivers and there was sound and the video was OK.(Maybe they were downloaded automaticaly)

MY computer:
Intel Pentium D 2.66 clocked to 2.8
A brand new ASUS 9800GT
2gb RAM

On the previous GPU i hade some linux drivers but i striggled to install them…

So what should i do?
(And is the internet configuration difficult?)

Drivers ?

hmmm … you could brush up on some openSUSE Linux concepts. Take a read here: Concepts - openSUSE

Note that drivers in Linux are often implemented as “kernel modules” which may be loaded during Linux boot, or may be dynamically loaded and unloaded during a Linux session. Many drivers/modules are provided as part of the kernel packaging, and others have to be provided separately. Typically while openSUSE does not come with proprietary hardware drivers (for such proprietary drivers need to be provided by the manufacturer or by other 3rd party) openSUSE is typically packaged with openSource free software drivers that work with most hardware.

I do not see any evidence of a Ubuntu install.

I know nothing about over clocking and Linux.

The Asus 9800GT reads like a nVidia card to me. In general, for Linux, there are 3 drivers for nVidia graphics (although there is a 4th under development but not ready). These three are:

  • vesa - its a generic driver and works with almost all graphics including ati, intel, and nvidia. But while very compatible, and it will survive xorg and kernel updates, it is slow. It comes with openSUSE-11.1.
  • nv - this is the free open source openGL nVidia driver. Its faster than the VESA driver. It will survive xorg and kernel updates. But it is not as fast as the proprietary driver, which means it will likely NOT support special desktop effects (such as the cube). It comes with openSUSE-11.1. This is the driver that the openSUSE installer will try to setup by default.
  • nvidia - this is the proprietary driver. One needs to go to the nVidia site (or setup a nVidia software repository) to get the driver and install it. Its typically difficult for new users on openSUSE. The Ubuntu method of installing this driver is likely easier, but that Ubuntu approach is considered by some as being contrary to the free open source software goals that openSUSE Linux tries to follow. This driver is almost always broken by kernel updates and xorg updates, and typically needs to be rebuilt each time. Easy for average users. A pain for new users.

Sound may or may not work immediately - but no worries, there are some of us who can help get your sound working.

If you have a wired LAN connection, ensure this is PLUGGED IN when you install. Preferably with the LAN accessing the Internet. That will make things very easy. If you don’t, things will get harder.

Wireless, dependent on the hardware, can be very easy, or very difficult.

I have a problem:

I started the install and decided to check the files. All was ok but when the install started and in the beginnig where it checks stuff it froze when it reached 90% and the disk stopped. I waited for 15 minutes and restarted and tried again and all was OK until the beginning of the install. 1% preparing disk or something…the disk stopped and I waited for 15 minutes but it was bugged. I tried to get the CD out but it didn’t respond!!! I restated and started the install again but the partition configuration was strange like resize to 29GB and I though that it screwed the HD and restarted and started windows. Disk D was checked and all is ok…
What The Hell…Am I cursed…I started the install almost 10 times to take pix and stuff and now when I need to install it…it makes fun of me …

Mellow out. There will be a rational explanation.

Did you read what it had to say on the stickie about doing the md5sum check? NEWBIES - Suse-11.1 Pre-installation – PLEASE READ - openSUSE Forums

ie did you do an md5sum of the .iso file BEFORE you burned it, and then compare that md5sum posted on the openSUSE web site? Were they the same?

Did you run the media check option on the DVD before starting the install ?

Did you burn to an RW DVD ? They typically can cause problems so do NOT burn to an RW DVD. Its better to burn to a +R DVD or -R DVD (dependant on your burner/reader).

Be certain to burn at the slowest speed your burner allows.

Also, if there is a large age difference between the DVD burner and the DVD reader, then there could be a large difference in calibration, and the reader may not be able to handle/read 100% accurately (and one needs 100%) for the DVD to install correctly.

Did you run the media check option on the DVD before starting the install ?

I did this…all is OK
I will burn it again on the slowest speed…
But I am wondering why did it happened when I decided to atually install it. The funny thing is that I ran the install 10 time before that and nothing happened :smiley:

I will burn again and try…my fear is that it might freez in the middle and then I have to restart and screw my D…
when I restarted it wa only 1%…
Nevermind I will take the risk…Windows is on C so if D is ruined I will format…My games are on D nothing special

Of course backups are essential, but if you defragged before, then nothing should be ruined. If it fails before GRUB is installed, you should still be able to boot to C: and you should still see D:, but it will be smaller as the failed Linux is taking up some of the space on D:.

If it fails after GRUB is installed, it is a bit more complex, but from what I saw, Grub is on the sda7 and sda2 is being made the active partition (where sda2 is the extended partition containing sda7 logical partition). One merely needs to make sda1 the active partition (instead of sda2), and Windows C: will boot.

But from the sound if it, you never got to the Grub boot manager install.

What is the age difference between the DVD burner and the DVD reader? That may be important. Remember do NOT burn to an RW, but rather to a +R or -R at the slowest speed the burner allows. Also run the media check on the burned DVD.

when resizing partitions openSUSE insnt very good so your best bet is to get a copy of ubuntu and then boot from it and go into system >administartion > partition editor
that is gparted wich is very good with resizing but if it doesnt work install ubuntu the install opensuse over ubuntu

A caution. … If you follow “theacerguy’s” advice, you also have to be certain openSUSE installer will instal in the locations one created with the Ubuntu CD. I have read of many cases where users “cleverly” setup partitions for openSUSE (using Ubunu, or gparted, or parted magic, or knoppix, kannotix, sidux, or some other live CD) and the openSUSE Installer ignored the partitions. These users then had to dive into a complicated edit to put things the way one wants - which DEFEATED the entire purpose of using those liveCDs to carve up the disk.

So that advice does not always work.

I already checked your partitioning. It looks good. I recommend you stick with it and not mess about further with different partitioning.

A further caveat … theacerguy’s advice is good general advice. I have done that myself many times.

I just don’t think it will help in your case.