Installation Problem - unable to install on desired partition

Hello folks, i’m new on linux and i’m installing last openSuse version (12.1).
got a problem during the installation to select the disks where linux will be installed:

              /DEV/SDA            1.8 TB
              /DEV/SDA1          100 MB   NFTS   Linux native    System Reserved  
              /DEV/SDA2          488 GB   EXT4   Linux native    (empty/no data)
              /DEV/SDA3          488 GB   NFTS   Linux native    (with data)    
              /DEV/SDA4          488 GB   NFTS   Linux native    (with data)       
              /DEV/SDA5          195 GB   NFTS   Linux native    (with data)   
              /DEV/SDA6          202 GB   NFTS   Linux native    (with data)   

My question is, how do i install opensuse 12 on SDA2 ?
Suse is unable to provide me a recomendation on the “Suggested Partitioning” screen.

I have no opeational system on this machine. Although there is o OS, i keep receiving a boot option from privious OS (windows) which was on SDA1 (c:).

I was able to format SDA1 with EXT4 using option to mount “/”
Not sure if this is the right option.

I read in some place i would need to have /SWAP and /HOME, so i tried to resize the SDA2, but i receive an error msg saying : Operation not permitted.

any suggestion o any additional info that would be required for proceed on this, pls let me know.

NTFS is not a Linux FS !

Why not delete it all and start again
Something like
swap 2 x RAM eg: 8GB if your RAM is 4GB
/ ext4 30GB (is plenty)
/home 500GB
the rest of the space should be extended then logical partitions as you require

You really only need a root partition and perhaps a swap. (A swap file can be used instead). You can manually partition using the opensuse installer and not just follow the recommendations. Though I wonder are any of those logical partitions?

thanks nightwishfan, i understand you are suggesting that i change the SDA2 with “Mounting Options” as swap or root.
Anyway i don’t see these options during the installation … when i right click on the partition SDA2, and then EDIT, i see “/”, “/usr”, “/var”,"/opt", “/boot”, “/home”, “/srv”, “/tmp” and “/local” options.
There is only one HD (1.8TB), which i’ve created 5 partitions (during win 7 installation).

If you or someone else guide or point me to the steps to follow to have opensuse installed on SDA2 i would appreciate that !

Well at the very lease you need root. I am not suggesting you use any specific partition for it. Use which ever one you can afford to delete or overwrite.

Anyway i don’t see these options during the installation … when i right click on the partition SDA2, and then EDIT, i see “/”, “/usr”, “/var”,“/opt”, “/boot”, “/home”, “/srv”, “/tmp” and “/local” options.

Root means /. So it is most certainly available as an option. :slight_smile: Swap you need to format a small blank partition to do so. Small as in 1.5x ram.
/ minimum of 10gb prefer mo

If you or someone else guide or point me to the steps to follow to have opensuse installed on SDA2 i would appreciate that !

I am sorry to say it is something that is a bit hard to explain. It is a basic concept most administrators are expected to know. I can not advise you safely because I do not know what partitions you can afford to format or safely re-size, etc.

thanks for clarification… as mentioned, the SDA2 is empty. I can format it and resize. The problem is… when i try to resize, i receive an error msg, when i try to install with “/” option
i receive an error msg on the installation Settings (next screen) saying :

"Bootloader is installed on a partition that does not lie entirely below 128 GB. The system might not boot if BIOS support only lba24 (result is error 18 during install grub MBR)

and of course if i ignore this msg, an installation error really happens around 90% of progress. =/

any workaround for this ?

You can try altering the boot loader to boot from the disk and not the root partition. I am not really sure when it comes to boot loaders.

On “Installation Settings” screen, i click on Booting options and i have 2 options:

1 -Section Management - which shows us te devices

2 -Boot Loader Installation, even change the option to Custom Boot Partition on /dev/sda2 (empty partition), i still have the msg mentioned about saying that the installation may fail …

Could you tell me the right place to do this, pls ?

That is a warning and only pertains to old BIOS’s that may not be able to handle boot above 128 gig. any modern machine will not have this problem but older machines might thus the warning (not and error)

Error came up again :

Error occurred while installing GRUB. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
groub > quit

any clues?

are you using a dvd or live cd for install
I’d like to see your fdisk info

In suse just type su -
hit enter and then
fdisk -l

Or with debian based like ubuntu do: sudo fdisk -l

On 07/26/2012 03:16 AM, knobwan wrote:
> any clues?

just saying:

it really is not so wise to ignore the advice of the guy in this thread
with over 33,000 posts, and instead follow another newcomer…

but, it is your machine and you are free to do as you wish!


dd

@knobwan

Without having seen the output of fdisk -l, nobody can help you. People can just speculate and provide generic - and not always appopriate - answers. So please post he full output of this command, and I bet you’ll get the right piece of advice from one of us.

On 2012-07-26 05:36, caf4926 wrote:
>
> are you using a dvd or live cd for install
> I’d like to see your fdisk info
>
> In suse just type su -
> hit enter and then
> fdisk -l
>
> Or with debian based like ubuntu do: sudo fdisk -l

Also say what do you have on each partition and which can be deleted.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:16:03 GMT, knobwan
<knobwan@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>Error came up again :
>
>
>Error occurred while installing GRUB. Error 17: Cannot mount selected
>partition
>groub > quit
>
>any clues?

Hmmm. There seems to be a chicken and egg type issue here.

Please create and use a live cd/dvd to do the following:

with a console execute the following commands select and copy the command
and its output to a text editor like kate, kedit, gnomedit, etc. then
place the output in code blocks (advanced editor) which results in
something like:


fdisk -l
<output>

also tell us what partitions can be destroyed install openSUSE, M$Windows
will not create/format ext2, ext3, ext4, reiserfs, or btrfs partitions;
how were those created (in the openSUSE installer you are asked to set the
mount points for any such partition you create)?.

also a better description of your hardware may help, CPU/mainboard, video
card, sound, RAM, other drives, etc.

Does the BIOS expect UEFI partitioning?

The more complete the information you provide, the easier it is to provide
useful advice.

?-)

You mean GUID partitoning. But the answer here is no, according to the few - and incomplete - information posted in #1 - which actually only shows the way the hard disk was partitioned, not what the BIOS expects. Anyway a 100 MB NTFS System Reserved partition indicates MBR partitioning. With GPT - created by Windows - you would have a 100 MB FAT32 EFI system partition (ESP) and a 128 MB Microsoft reserved parition (MSR).

Compare the pictures in the addendum of this article: Booting openSUSE on UEFI BIOS with ELILO and Grub2 (part II - Windows dual-boot )

Notice that UEFI needs GUID partitioning (GPT) to boot, but most BIOS - as of today - will (still) use a CSM (Compatibility Support Module) to boot in legacy BIOS mode, where you can (and should) use MBR partitioning.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:36:03 GMT, please try again
<please_try_again@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>josephkk;2476688 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does the BIOS expect UEFI partitioning?
>>
>
>You mean GUID partitoning. But the answer here is no, according to the
>few - and incomplete - information posted in #1 - which actually only
>shows the way the hard disk was partitioned, not what the BIOS expects.
>Anyway a 100 MB NTFS System Reserved partition indicates MBR
>partitioning. With GPT - created by Windows - you would have a 100 MB
>FAT32 EFI system partition (ESP) and a 128 MB ‘Microsoft reserved
>parition (MSR)’
>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition).
>
>Compare the pictures in the addendum of this article: ‘Booting openSUSE
>on UEFI BIOS with ELILO and Grub2 (part II - Windows dual-boot )’
>(http://tinyurl.com/8yjy44f)
>
>Notice that UEFI needs GUID partitioning (GPT) to boot, but most BIOS
>- as of today - will (still) use a CSM (Compatibility Support Module) to
>boot in legacy BIOS mode, where you can (and should) use MBR
>partitioning.

I just wish i could believe the reported partitioning; how are sda5 and
ds6 achieved without an extended partition?

?-)

What makes you think that sda5, sda6, etc have to be logical partitions? This in only true for MBR, not for GPT. GPT has room for 128 partitions, and they are all primary. It doesn’t use a 64 bytes partition table (16 x4) at the end of the MBR, but 32 sectors (actually 33 if you count the header in the second sector of the disk, just after the “protective” MBR"). I makes room for 128 partition entries (each 128 bytes long). When you see 5 primary partitions or more, it has to be GPT.

It is “in theory” possible to achieve logical paritions with an hybrid MBR (that you would use to boot openSUSE on Apple hardware for example, while keeping the GUID partition table for OS X). So you could have logical partitions with GPT too. But I don’t know anyone who does that. It would be pure nonsense.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:56:03 GMT, please try again
<please_try_again@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>josephkk;2477075 Wrote:
>>
>> I just wish i could believe the reported partitioning; how are sda5
>> and
>> ds6 achieved without an extended partition?
>>
>> ?-)
>
>What makes you think that sda5, sda6, etc have to be logical
>partitions? This in only true for MBR, not for GPT. GPT has room for 128
>partitions, and they are all primary. It doesn’t use a 64 bytes
>partition table (16 x4) at the end of the MBR, but 32 sectors (actually
>33 if you count the header in the second sector of the disk, just after
>the “protective” MBR"). I makes room for 128 partition entries (each 128
>bytes long). When you see 5 primary partitions or more, it has to be
>GPT.

Exactly why i suspected GPT/GUID partitioning contrary to what OP said.
Recheck your recent posts to this thread.
>
>It is “in theory” possible to achieve logical paritions with an hybrid
>MBR (that you would use to boot openSUSE on Apple hardware for example,
>while keeping the GUID partition table for OS X). So you could have
>logical partitions with GPT too. But I don’t know anyone who does that.
>It would be pure nonsense.

Hi,
I have got the same problems on a new Dell Inspiron 51110 core i7 (Win 7.0 ultimate) …please have you solved you problems…let me know !
thanks for help.