On 01/22/2012 05:58 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-01-22 17:07, DenverD wrote:
>> 11.4 (and not 11.1) therefore there is no supported upgrade available
>> to you unless you wish to upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2 to 11.3 to 11.4
> Yes, that’s via zypper dup. Via DVD upgrade you can jump at least two
> versions. And if you can’t, it is a bug that YaST doesn’t warn.
i know you have said that before and i have before asked you to please
point me to the place in the docs, read-me, wiki, release notes, weekly
news or etc where that is written…
and so far you have not provided that URL to me…
>>> Normally in the previous versions, a new menu to select a clean install
>>> or un upgrade came up.
>> openSUSE 12.1 is not a previous version.
> You are confused, he is not using zypper dup.
no, he said “in the previous versions, a new menu to select a clean
install or upgrade came up.” which was true!
but openSUSE 12.1 is not a previous version, as i said…so, it makes
no difference if every earlier version had a DVD upgrade or not, because
he is trying to install 12.1…whether he wants to upgrade using zypper
or DVD makes no difference, it is still not a previous version.
> I have used the method he is
> using, and I know the menu is there, regardless of the jump (YaST is at
> this point unaware of the version numbers).
yes, i have used it also…back in the SUSE 9.x days i used it twice,
at least…and, had trouble . . .
but these are not the SUSE 9 days and i can’t find (i have looked) where
the community gives instructions saying that you can select the DVD
upgrade function and upgrade from 11.1 to 12.1…in fact that function
is the YaST Upgrade described in “paragraph 15.1.3. Upgrading with YaST”
and, before you get to that paragraph the same page says:
15.1.2. Possible Problems
If you upgrade a default system from the previous version to this
version, YaST works out the necessary changes and performs them.
Depending on your customizations, some steps (or the entire upgrade
procedure) may fail and you must resort to copying back your backup
data. Check the following issues before starting the system update.
and i note that there is plenty of ink available for them to have said
If you upgrade a default system from any previous version to this
version, YaST works out . . .
but they did not write “any previous version” nor did they write “any
11.x version”…if they know should write in more supported upgrades
than just from “the previous version” then i suggest you log a bug
against the documentation…
>> you can not do that from 11.1 to 12.1 and expect a stable, reliable system…
> It is not supported, but it can be done
sure it can be done, or at least tried…and, i can jump off the Empire
State building and it will not hurt me–until the sudden stop at the
>> i don’t expect there has ever been or will ever be an openSUSE supported
>> upgrade from older than the previous version…and, that is a previous
>> version fully updated and patched…
> If you read the old paper SuSE admin books, you will see that there was a
> chapter where they listed the differences between several versions. Not
> just the prior one, but several versions. Thus, when we made a distro
> upgrade the classical way (DVD off-line upgrade) we had a list in paper of
> all gotchas we had to be aware, 1, 2, or 3 versions number jump. And it
ok, i didn’t know that…but, where is the modern version of that book
which says you can upgrade from 10.x and 11.x to 12.1 but you can not
upgrade from 9.x, 8.x, etc …or whatever it should say, today??
see, i’m trying to tell what is written (that i have seen) about
upgrading to 12.1 (not what was written about upgrading to SUSE 10.0
Professional)…when you point me to the written word that says “If you
upgrade a default system from any previous version to this version, YaST
… . .” then, i will change my tune.
until then i do wish you would stop explaining what used to be available
in the way of DVD upgrades…and may be available today but undocumented…
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