I find it incredible that installing and running reputable software such as Clamav on my system should be a major problem. I have openSUSE 11.3 with kde 4.5.2 desktop and when I try and install clamav using Yast the files are downloaded into old kde3 directory and nothing works. Surely getting an antivirus program up and running should be straightforward so where am I going wrong?
Help here would be much appreciated.
Budgie2
Weird…its fine here…
Did you install another soft, its a problem installing just Clamav or no one soft can be install?
if no one has been installed try on terminal
rpm --builddb
if just clamav cannot been installed, try install clamav through terminal
zypper install clamav
if it does not works, could you paste here your repositories
zypper lr
rpm --builddb
…it’s ‘–rebuilddb’. 
- I doubt that the rpm-database causes the problem described here, though.
But asking for the used repositories is a good idea indeed. Budgie2, where’s your Clamav from?
Budgie2 wrote:
> I find it incredible that installing and running reputable software
> such as Clamav on my system should be a major problem.
imo the major problem is neither the reputable software nor openSUSE
11.3, but rather your system (read on)
> I have openSUSE 11.3 with kde 4.5.2 desktop and when I try and
> install clamav using Yast the files are downloaded into old kde3
> directory
so, how did you get to 11.3?
or, why do you have a kde3 directory?
and, how broken can YaST happen to be? (that is, i can’t imagine why
it would try to put clamav in there??)
i guess the answer must be you either upgraded from 10.x or 11.x to
11.3, right?
but how did you do that? i guess you kept /home and maybe some or
all of the old system (by not format installing the non-/home
partitions)…otherwise it is unlikely you would have a .kde3
directory…i think…
anyway, it is therefore, and because what you describe if VERY unusual
i don’t suspect a problem with clamav (thousands use it without the
major problem you are having) and for sure, not everyone with 11.3 has
a kde3 directory…i think.
> and nothing works.
yep, that can happen sometimes when you have a mismatch of old and new
all jumbled up together…
> Surely getting an antivirus program up and running should be
> straightforward
normally it is…
> so where am I going wrong? Help here would be much
> appreciated.
there may be lots of paths to happiness but in my opinion, the most
straightforward and sure way is to save off to a secure, off machine
location all your data and then do a fresh format install of 11.3
from known good media (that is, do this before the install:
http://tinyurl.com/25ydj4a)
alternatively, do that and save the old home in its entirity but do
NOT elect to keep the same user ID or /home…just keep the old home
in case something happens to your backup…
yes, it will take a while (maybe a long while) to rebuild your desktop
the way you want it…but, when you are done you won’t have a bunch
of goop in the soup…
BUT, wait for other opinions…there should be plenty others…and,
maybe may be better than mine.
–
DenverD
When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]
It’s quite simple: you installed clamav, with frontend klamav. The latter is a KDE3 program, so it will pull in a basic KDE3 install, with needed libs at least. I installed clamav and klamav, klamav threw one error after the other at me about update servers not available, mirrors not updated yet, still performs some update, stating it was successful.
This could be the result of programs not being maintained any longer for KDE3. Don’t know.
Question: why do you want/need an anti-virus program on linux?
Knurpht wrote:
> Question: why do you want/need an anti-virus program on linux?
heh! i’ve grown tired of asking that, but i am happy you did…(thanks
for figuring out how he got a kde3 directory! maybe that ‘klamav’
should be scrubbed out of the repo…or…nah, anyone who thinks
there is a need for klam . . . 
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DenverD
When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]
In case of KDE3 / KDE4 this is just plain wrong. KDE3-configs are still stored in ~/.kde while KDE4-configs are saved in ~/.kde4, so there’s no jumbling at all (at least not when using openSUSE, [most?] other distros do not separate these two paths).
I am using the same /home since SuSE 10.1 and it works well. Why shouldn’t it? DenverD, wild guessing won’t help anyone.
First, stop personal attacks and the like. We intend to keep the forums a friendly place, so keep it cool. Personal dislike of other forum users/visitors in the public area of the forum will not be tolerated. So stop it or start getting to know each other by PM.
On the technical part of possible coexistence of KDE3 and 4 you’re right. Very well possible.
I did some sandboxing to find out what could have caused the OP’s complaints. He mentions ‘old kde3’ directory, which used means either /opt/kde3 or ~/.kde, agreed?
Then, if you search in Yast for ‘clamav’ it provides the clamav packages and klamav, which is described as a frontend for KDE. So I installed both, with pulled in a basic kde3 install, found in /opt/kde3 (his downloaded files). Starting klamav straight afterwards created a new ~/.kde folder, partly filled with defaults.
I came to this experiment because a friend over here had talked the same problem. When I met him he had done some reading and decided to uninstall clamav and …klamav, but he mentioned the “old fashioned” interface of klamav. That got me thinking this way.
Like said, you could have just commented, or keep out of the thread if you cannot stop yourself.
Hi and my thanks to all who have come to my aid.
I have not sat idly by waiting for answers and have made some progress as follows:-
First to address system history/background.
I did a format and network install of openSUSE_11.3 retaining my home partition intact.
I subsequently for other reasons erased /home and set up new user.
I installed kde 4.5.2 from KDE factory repo.
I have, since my initial posting, uninstalled all clamav stuff and reinstalled from download.opensuse.org/repositories/security.openSUSE_11.3 and also installed klamav.
Perhaps .kde3 was a figment of my imagination as I acnnot see it now but I still have .kde as well as .kde4. Is that as it should be?
My desktop is kde 4.5.2 and it seems to be OK although it takes some getting used to and I have a few issues still to sort out, but back to clamav:
Using Klamav I can now start the program.
First issue on starting is an error message:- “Malformed URL media:/”
Not sure how to stop this message but I guess it might be because there is no disk in drive. Is that correct and how should I stop it?
Next issue is that from Klamav Update tab I can get newest database but I also get a message that I should update clamav. When I try using the button “Upgrade ClamAV now” I get message “could not contact upgrade server” I tried turning off firewall but still no joy. The connection it was trying to make was ftp.heanet.ie on port 80. So is that as it should be? I do not recognise it.
Last issue is trying to enable Auto-Scan. It appears I must load module dazuko and rebuild kernel. Now from what I can find out it appears dazuko is proprietary software. I have never read anything about this in all my investigation of clamav so far. I shall need help setting this up if indeed that is what people use.
If anybody has time to help me from here it would be much appreciated.
Thanks again, Budgie2
before i get to your posting, i want to return to the question
previously asked but not answered: why do you want/need an anti-virus
program on linux?
i ask because it seem you are spending a lot of time on this, and i
just wonder why…because if you are the ‘typical’ home user it is a
waste of space and clock cycles…
another way to say that is: so far you have not hinted that you are
administering a mail server for hundreds of Windows users in a world
headquarters and need to purge all malware from mail headed their way…
in fact, as far as i can know from your post you are in the same
situation i’m in (Linux only) and therefore this is a GIANT waste of
time…
now, i proceed to make some more wild guesses in an attempt to help:
Budgie2 wrote:
> First to address system history/background.
>
> I did a format and network install of openSUSE_11.3 retaining my home
> partition intact.
> I subsequently for other reasons erased /home and set up new user.
>
> I installed kde 4.5.2 from KDE factory repo.
of course, you already know that all software in ‘factory’ is
unreleased software, in a beta state, and may be of such low stability
and quality on your system as to cause far flung problems impossible
to trouble shoot from here…
and, of course you already know that folks who want a stable and
trouble free production system (even if only to ‘produce’ a happy
birthday letter to Aunt Tilly, or a doctoral thesis) won’t go NEAR
‘factory’ with ten foot FTP pole…
and, anyway all Linux guru’s who want to BETA TEST are sure welcome to
do that but they should be both qualified to help track down bugs, and
able to trouble shoot the more simple problems (like those below)
which you still grapple with…
and, btw: most Linux gurus who do BETA TEST do not do so on their
daily production system, instead they do it in a ‘sandbox’…
but, you knew all of that so, sorry for the detour…
> I have, since my initial posting, uninstalled all clamav stuff and
> reinstalled from
> download.opensuse.org/repositories/security.openSUSE_11.3 and also
> installed klamav.
i wonder why you installed from that repo and not from the standard repo?
see, i ask because as far as i know all persons who install the latest
release (11.3) and use only the recommended four repos (oss,
non-oss, update and packman, cite: http://tinyurl.com/33qc9vu)
and, i wonder what would happen if you use YaST to uninstall that
clamav and instead installed it from the oss repo??
> Perhaps .kde3 was a figment of my imagination as I acnnot see it now
> but I still have .kde as well as .kde4. Is that as it should be?
>
> My desktop is kde 4.5.2 and it seems to be OK although it takes some
> getting used to and I have a few issues still to sort out, but back to
> clamav:
>
> Using Klamav I can now start the program.
ok, the klamav i guess you got from the oss (version 0.46-7.2) which
may NOT be compatible with the newer clamav 0.96.2-29.1 installed,
OR the 0.96.1-1.3 in the oss
or, maybe you installed klamav version 0.46-12.1 from the KDE:KDE3
repo and it is easy to know that that won’t work with your KDE4 system!
the point of all of that is to say: it is best, to pick matching
software (clamav and klamav, both from the oss) and get
working…then, if you want to be adventuresome do some
experimentation in your sandbox to see if a KDE3 klamav runs well with
a KDE4 clamav running in a beta KDE4.5.2…
and, if it does not then instead of asking help in getting it to run
in the applications forum, you could could post the results of your
sandbox experiments in the forum where the other beta testers hang out
to see if they also find the same bugs you uncover, post to here:
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/pre-release-beta/
and, if you find a reproducible bug you should report it, here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports
> First issue on starting is an error message:- “Malformed URL media:/”
> Not sure how to stop this message but I guess it might be because there
> is no disk in drive. Is that correct and how should I stop it?
why don’t i stop here and ask you to use YaST to uninstall the clamav
and klamav you have and then install a matched set from the oss…
to do that you will need to use YaST (or zypper) to remove the
unnecessary repos which i believe are the source of your troubles…
if you want assistance in that please enter the following into a
terminal and then copy paste the results back to here:
zypper lr -d
note: that is a lower case L, not a number 1 in “lr”
now, my wild guess could be wrong, and you may want to wait for better
direction from a real guru…your choice…
and, as far as the problems you have updating from some unknown web
site–for sure you need to wait for someone with real experience which
clamav…i have none (don’t need it, never will, yeah!)…
–
DenverD
When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]
That’s what I thought was happening to you and your system. It explains the ~/.kde folder (klamav).
Dazuko can still be found, it’s maintained by one of the Build Service users. To find it, and install it, go here:
software.opensuse.org: Search Results
In the Search Options, uncheck the “Exclude home projects…” option and search for dazuko. AFAIK you need both dazukofs and dazukofs-kmp-YOURKERNELFLAVOR
That’s all I can do for you at this moment.
On 2010-10-20 01:06, Budgie2 wrote:
> Hi and my thanks to all who have come to my aid.
>
> I have not sat idly by waiting for answers and have made some progress
> as follows:-
> First to address system history/background.
To most of your post, see DenverD reply, I concur with him. Saves “ink”
> Next issue is that from Klamav Update tab I can get newest database but
> I also get a message that I should update clamav. When I try using the
Clamav is normally installed from the default repos (not the one you used, that’s an extra one), and
there is a system service that, after enabled, automatically and periodically updates clamav.
> Last issue is trying to enable Auto-Scan. It appears I must load
> module dazuko and rebuild kernel. Now from what I can find out it
> appears dazuko is proprietary software. I have never read anything
> about this in all my investigation of clamav so far. I shall need help
> setting this up if indeed that is what people use.
We do not use it. What for? That’s the whole point. >:-)
So, please explain why and what for are you using it, and then we’ll try to help with the real
problem, not your perceived problem.
Hint: klamav being a kde3 application, and kde3 being old, (almost) unmaintained software, means
that klamav has not been ported to kde4, means that klamav is obsolete and unmantained (pointy
proven by your problems), so… >:-)
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Many thanks for the considerable time in addressing my queries and sharing some opinions too. I shall try and answer some of the issues raised.
I want some sort of virus/trojan protection because, in my profound ignorance, I believe it possible or likely to become possible that a dodgy website could put malware scripts on my system while I am using a browser, possibly using java or flash downloads, and once there could access my network where there are other machines running which are not running Linux and may be sharing files which are private.
This may be an ill informed view but that is why I am trying to set up clamAV.
I have always used only the 4 recommended repo sites and only rarely depart from this rule, usually when so advised, for example when setting up multimedia as advised in this forum. We are however in a rapidly changing environment and I used the KDE repo at the time because kde 4.5 was not available from the “standard 4 repo sites”. This may have changed now. Is that the case?
Having installed kde 4.5.2 I found that the version of clamAV available from the standard repo sites would not run on kde 4.5.2. It was this attempt to install from standard repo sites which put some kde3 lib files on my system which threw me before. This may all have been changed by now. We shall see. Meanwhile I believe the kde version I have is not a beta after all but a full release, just not available from openSUSE at the time I installed it.
In summary I have klamav running on demand but not as daemon and there are no instructions for setting up the config so although I can update virus database I cannot yet update the clamAV or KlamAV versions. There are good instructions for building kernel with dazuko on the klamavwiki but I am nervous about doing this because I am not sure I have the correct source code for the kernel I am running with which to build the modifed kernel with dazuko and I do not know (through ignorance) what happens to such a modified kernel when and if an online update includes a new kernel, which happens from time to time.
If anybody can help me achieve my objective, even if they think it over cautious, I would be most grateful.
Thanks again for all the advice and assistance.
Budgie2
I want some sort of virus/trojan protection because, in my profound ignorance, I believe it possible or likely to become possible that a dodgy website could put malware scripts on my system while I am using a browser, possibly using java or flash downloads, and once there could access my network where there are other machines running which are not running Linux and may be sharing files which are private.
For one, this is an unlikely scenario, since critical bugs get fixed very fast thanks to the package manager. Furthermore, ClamAV would not save you from that - it scans for Windows viruses, nothing else. This is why I second DenverDs opinion insofar as setting up an antivirus in Linux is pretty much a waste of time and resources.
On 2010-10-21 00:36, Budgie2 wrote:
>
> Many thanks for the considerable time in addressing my queries and
> sharing some opinions too. I shall try and answer some of the issues
> raised.
>
> I want some sort of virus/trojan protection because, in my profound
> ignorance, I believe it possible or likely to become possible that a
> dodgy website could put malware scripts on my system while I am using a
> browser, possibly using java or flash downloads, and once there could
> access my network where there are other machines running which are not
> running Linux and may be sharing files which are private.
> This may be an ill informed view but that is why I am trying to set up
> clamAV.
That’s doubtful, and even more doubtful that clamav finds them. Find a serious link proving that
clamav does find viruses in linux, or that proves the scenario you describe
Hint: “on access” check is not supported by the kernel, it needs a hack (dazuko). If the kernels
devs haven’t provided that feature, it must be they think it is not necessary >:-)
In fact, the “on access” method is used not to scan linux, but to scan directories shared by windows
(via samba), to protect windows from virus put in the files written by other windows machines. Linux
is immune, as far as we know.
Yes, it can scan linux. Mostly as a placebo to calm down people claiming for an antivirus for linux :-p
> Having installed kde 4.5.2 I found that the version of clamAV available
> from the standard repo sites would not run on kde 4.5.2. It was this
You are mistaken. Clamav runs well. What doesn’t run is klamav, the kde3 wrapper to clamav. If you
want to run an antivirus, learn to use clamav in the command line. That is maintained current.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Hi and thanks for the further advice.
As I tried to explain, my concerns are to protect other machines on my lan which are running samba or are samba clients and contain private info I wish to keep that way. Several are using windows os. I am sorry if I have not made this concern clear.
I have noted the need for dazuko hack earlier and am not keen to go that way. I have no problem running command line clamAV but I was trying to address malware from websites not in email. Using websites often requires acceptance of scripts, even this forum for example tries to run a script.
There is an article in Linux Format magazine (LXF 131) which includes some support for my concerns. It also proposes running clamAV but also mentions running clamAV as a daemon. That is the route I wanted and still wish to take and why I was put off by the dazuko hack.
Meanwhile I have reverted to kde 4.4.4 which comes from the openSUSE repo. I shall now try a new installation of clamAV and see how I get on.
Thanks for the help so far.
Regards,
Budgie2
On 2010-10-22 00:36, Budgie2 wrote:
> Hi and thanks for the further advice.
> As I tried to explain, my concerns are to protect other machines on my
> lan which are running samba or are samba clients and contain private
> info I wish to keep that way. Several are using windows os. I am sorry
> if I have not made this concern clear.
Ok, then what you need is on-access scanning on the shared folders (no more) by samba.
Windows machines can only read what you export via samba, so what you have to do is configure samba
to scan everything it writes. I know there is a module for this, but I don’t know how it is done or
configured. In fact, I heard there were some problems with this, perhaps the feature was broken.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Hi and thanks. I understand and shall investigate.
Regards,
Budgie2