URL
https://features.opensuse.org/314660
Description
When one changes Date and Time through YaST, YaST can suggest changing Language settings according to the timezone and country selected.
We should avoid tight coupling of these functionality as it will prevent me from using Eng as language if set Saigon as as my location. At the same time YaST should suggest that it will try and change the language settings.
Usecase
If i choose Region:Asia and Time Zone : Saigon in “Date and Time” YaST can suggest that it will change Language to Vietnamese.
I did give you my vote and good luck in your quest.
Thank You,
Thanks.
I would also like DE integration of this feature.
Like changing things in GNOME too when changed through YaST and vice versa.
I honesty have no idea whether this would happen automatically or not 
On 12/02/2012 04:46 AM, vazhavandan wrote:
> We should avoid tight coupling of these functionality as it will
> prevent me from using Eng as language if set Saigon as as my location.
hmmmm…maybe it changed since the last time i did an install, but i do
not remember it being difficult for me to:
specify region Europe
timezone Denmark
hardware clock set to UTC
now, that may be because i was careful during the initial install and
when i got to step 5 of http://tinyurl.com/cajjyu2
and, when i did it did not try to change the system lingo from English
to Danish… does the installer usually switch to the language in the
timezone set??
anyway, then when i got to step 10 i was real careful to set
keyboard: Danish
system: language US English
and, it was all easy…that said, i have voted up the FATE as i don’t
know what YaST does if one is (say) using Spanish in a European time
zone and work takes them to Saigon, and when they get there wanna reset
the timezone…certainly it should NOT automatically switch the system
language from Spanish to Vietnamese, it should instead (as the FATE
says) suggest the language change, and NOT just change it without
asking…(which is what i gather happened to you?)
I do not know if I understand quite what the meaning of all this is. But one should be very cautious in touching these things. Specialy one should first try to understand what is what. It may be possible that some of the people reading/posting here have a full understanding, but in that case it is for others.
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There is a huge difference between the Time zone set for the system and those for the users.
The first one is the Time zone root “sees” and it is also a default Time zone for e.g. (the creation) of user profiles. Of course it can only be set/changed by root (directly or through YaST).
Then every user can set his own Time zone. It is normaly done in .profile (and friends) and thus overwrites the system Time zone at a login. That is true for every login of that particular user. That is also valid for any login, CLI or GUI, KDE or Gnome. It is done by the user her/himself and thus not via YaST. But it could be that a DE has an GUI interface in it’s configuration tool to make it easy for a user to do. -
Language is something completely different imho. It is not bound to Time zones, nor to countries (and Time zones are not bound to countries and vv.). It is just the language of preference for a user to see messages, etc. from the system (and that again is different for every user, including root). There is a system default (C I guess) and every user can set it in his .profile (thus that is the language for all his logins) and even changend mid CLI (shell) session, or on a per command base.
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Keyboard setting is different again. It depends on the hardware of the keyboard (where are what keys) and their interpretation (depends offten on the language a user wants to be able to type easily).
The proposal of the OP here seems to be triggered by people traveling around. When I travel to a different time zone, I may want to change my personal time zone to the place I am at that moment. I may want this irrespective of the fact that I took the system with me, or if I do a remote login on the system still being at home (or where ever). That is NOT a Yast case at all.
I may want to change the “system” Time zone, when I realy move the system elsewhere and I am the system manager. That can be done using YaST. BUT then I must warn all the users that the deafult Time zone changed (better: is going to change) and that they may want to set their peronal Time zone different from tthe default now.
When you read the above, you will understand that any proposal that does not take into account that Unix/Linux is a multi user system and features worldwide remote login, will be voted down by me.
On 2012-12-02 12:56, hcvv wrote:
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> I do not know if I understand quite what the meaning of all this is. But
> one should be very cautious in touching these things. Specialy one
> should first try to understand what is what. It may be possible that
> some of the people reading/posting here have a full understanding, but
> in that case it is for others.
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> When you read the above, you will understand that any proposal that
> does not take into account that Unix/Linux is a multi user system and
> features worldwide remote login, will be voted down by me.
A good description, thanks.
I also have problems understanding what is requested, so I abstain from
voting.
I had no problems selecting language and time zone (which are different
in my case) during install, which is the only time I use that
functionality. Later, I change settings for users if I need it. No
problem. I see no reason to change yast unless the case is explained better.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
If i open YaST timezone now it doesn’t suggest(pop saying "hey mister you have chosen Tokyo and your language is english .can i change it Japanese ") that it will change the language
I was wondering whether this suggestion process can be implemented
IMHO YaST should mind it’s own bussiness and not do any suggesting about changinng the system language when the system manager wants to change the system time zone. Even when the appropriate language package was installed (which is not sure of course).
A general remark BTW.
While of course anybody can file Feature Request at her/his owm will. I would suggest that a discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of such a request is better held here before filing it. Thus a request is seriously looked at from different sides, formulating it can be improved before it is filing and a certain supporters base can be formed already. All before a good and precise feature request is done. Not well thought out and formulated requests will often be discarded by the devs almost immediatly. And the devs must do developement, not spending time at trying to understand bad requests. It is all about a dev spontaniously saying": “Hey, that is a good idea!”
On 2012-12-03 10:46, hcvv wrote:
> IMHO YaST should mind it’s own bussiness and not do any suggesting
> about changinng the system language when the system manager wants to
> change the system time zone. Even when the appropriate language package
> was installed (which is not sure of course).
I think I concur.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On 12/02/2012 09:30 AM, dd wrote:
> i have voted up the FATE
having re-thought the process i re-voted down…
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dd